Talk:University of Dayton Ghetto

Attention request
This article has been an ongoing project of mine for quite a while now, and I'd like to have it reassessed by an outside editor. If it hasn't yet reached GA status, I would appreciate feedback on how it can be improved. I've exhausted the earlier suggestions in the peer review, and I think I've got it up to GA. Thanks. Newsboy85 (talk) 07:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not the GA review you're looking for, but you might want to convert the references to use citation templates. The auto-review picked up:"As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between." as well. §hep   •  Talk  01:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find any instances of the footnotes thing. As for the formatting on the references, I'll take a look. Newsboy85 (talk) 01:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "Oakwood neighborhood" links to an article about the city, not a neighborhood. Is it north of a neighborhood in Oakwood? Or is it just a bad link? §hep   •  Talk  01:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oakwood is a suburb of Dayton - it is contiguous to the city proper. "Neighborhood" may not have been the best word choice. City of Oakwood is fine. Thanks for the extra set of eyes on the entry. Newsboy85 (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If the commas follow British English, then the article should use British spelling as well. §hep   •  Talk  02:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, would it be best to use hectares in the acre conversion over meters? §hep   •  Talk  02:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The commas, and the article, follow American English. Commas should always go inside the quotes in American Engish, in all circumstances. One of your edits moved them outside. 64.123.246.100 (talk) 03:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That must be a script error I'll have to reprt then. I could have sworn when editing that section I clicked AE. I didn't check to see what your edit did (or in all honesty the original change) so I assumed it was back to ", which means my last edit to the article was FUBAR. Now that that's out of the way (sorry), what do you think about using hectares? §hep   •  Talk  03:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The conversions were bot-added a while back. Honestly, I'm a fan of the metric system, and I don't know how many people think in hectares anymore. Newsboy85 (talk) 03:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I always thought of the meter as more of a length measurement and hectare the metric equivalent to acre. Either way, I guess it's not a very pressing matter. §hep   •  Talk  04:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You also might want to consider archiving the ELs with WebCite; if you decide to use citation templates. §hep  Talk  22:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Notability
This article exclusively cites university press releases and the student paper. Does it have actual coverage outside of the local vicinity? Moreover, is the title a phrase widely used by all media sources? It appears blatantly POV if only the student papers use the name and we use it for an encyclopedia article. czar ♔  00:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 11 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) Mdann52 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

University of Dayton Ghetto → University of Dayton South Student Neighborhood – The title of this article is pejorative and does not meet the Wikipedia standards for article titles. Let's discuss a better title below. Libroman2 (talk) 20:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC) -- Relisting.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   07:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/debate-rages-about-uds-ghetto/npStt/
 * https://flyernews.com/stop-calling-our-neighborhood-the-ghetto/
 * The use of the "ghetto" is also not supported by local vowed religious. https://flyernews.com/marianist-response-to-the-ghetto/ — Preceding comment added by Libroman2 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – the current title is the WP:COMMONNAME for the topic. SST  flyer  13:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


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Requested move 1 February 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  14:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

University of Dayton Ghetto → University of Dayton Student Neighborhood – The Student Neighborhood is no longer called "the Ghetto" officially, and most students no longer use this term either due to its historical connotations for minorities. Additionally, references to "the Darkside" are recommended to be changed to North Student Neighborhood, its official name, except where discussion of the student nickname is relevant. I believe these changes will bring these articles closer to the reality of the Student Neighborhood and its discussion by students and faculty. Proper naming will also improve ease of access and search for visitors to Wikipedia. ItsNeighborhood (talk) 20:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It is important to note, per WP:COMMONNAME, that "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit" the criteria of recognizability, naturalness, precision, conciseness, and consistency.


 * It is also worth noting that the Ghetto is not on university property, and does not belong to the university.


 * In addition, Wikipedia "is not a soapbox or means of promotion", per WP:SOAPBOX. If the university and a handful of students don't like the name "Ghetto", then they are welcome to change the name on university-published maps and denounce its use in the school newspaper.


 * These are some sources which support that "Ghetto" is the generally preferred name for this off-campus community:


 * - A 2018 blog post which suggests "Ghetto" is still widely used to refer to this neighborhood.
 * - This 2020 article in the campus newspaper which suggests many students still call this "the Ghetto".
 * - A 2020 article in the campus newspaper which says, "The 'ghetto' is how many UD students refer to the South Student Neighborhood".
 * - This 2020 article in Sports Illustrated which refers to the student housing in several places as "the Ghetto", writing, "If you come to Dayton for the First Four or at any point during basketball season, you must visit the Ghetto".
 * - Here is another article calling it the Ghetto.
 * - Here is a transmission repair service "conveniently located just down the street from the University of Dayton and UD ghetto".
 * - A private housing service called "UD Ghetto Student Housing".
 * - This article in the Dayton Daily News suggests "Ghetto" is widely used, despite recent efforts by the university to change it.
 * - A lovely home for rent "In the 'Dark Side' of the Ghetto".
 * - Ghetto drinking hat. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)