Talk:University of Georgia School of Law/Archive 1

Supreme Court clerkships--ranking UGa with updated data 2005 to 2017
The Wiki page currently says: "Georgia Law has had six alumni serve as judicial clerks at the U.S. Supreme Court since 2005. A Supreme Court clerkship is one of the most distinguished appointments a law school graduate can obtain. This record gives Georgia Law a ranking of third among public law schools, and 11th among all law schools nationwide (out of 204 ABA approved law schools), for supplying such law clerks for the period 2005-2014."

With updated data, including the partially announced slate of 2017 clerks, the ranking is: "Georgia Law has had six alumni serve as judicial clerks at the U.S. Supreme Court since 2005. A Supreme Court clerkship is one of the most distinguished appointments a law school graduate can obtain. This record gives Georgia Law a ranking of fourth among public law schools, and 15th among all law schools nationwide (out of 204 ABA approved law schools), for supplying such law clerks for the period 2005-2017." Someone might want to update the Wiki page with the new data.

Rank / Law School / clerks 2005-2017

1	Harvard	 124

2	Yale	 119

3	Stanford 39

4	Virginia 32 (Public university)

5	Columbia 24

6	Chicago	 23

7	NYU	 17

8      Georgetown 14

9	Michigan 13 (Public university)

10	Northwestern 10

11	Berkeley 9 (Public university)

12	Duke 	9

13	Penn	7

14	GW	7

15	Georgia	6 (Public university)

16	BYU	4

17	Texas	4 (Public university)

18	Utah	4 (Public university)

19  University of Notre Dame 4

20	Cornell	2

21	Minnesota 2 (Public university)

22	Pepperdine 2

23	Vanderbilt 2

24	Brooklyn 1

25	Cardozo	1

26	Creighton 1

27	George Mason 1

28	Hawaii	1 (Public university)

29	Kansas	1 (Public university)

30	LSU	1 (Public university)

31	Ohio St	1 (Public university)

32	Rutgers	1 (Public university)

33	Seton Hall 1

34	UCLA	1 (Public university)

35	Wisconsin 1 (Public university)

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Total clerks: 489

Bjhillis (talk) 20:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC) Added 9 more 2017 clerks to the Law Clerks of the Supreme Court page announced last week, and added law schools to table above.Bjhillis (talk) 02:31, 28 December 2016 (UTC) Added Univ of Notre Dame, 4 clerks.Bjhillis (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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Alumni
Use of alumni who happen not to have a Wikipedia article about them is proper so long as they obviously don't have their own article, and are in plain black type.

I spent very much time isolating example alumni to give the reading public good information about alumni examples for an understanding of the school and for the benefit of an encyclopedia that provides information for the public. Nonetheless, I just didn't (and don't) have the time to produce a Wikipedia article for each alumni. Also, I believe an article for each would be a "one off" project not of general interest to the public in most cases.

I have seen other editors put lists of names, other names, and alumni in brackets  around those names that were not subjects Wikipedia articles (so they show up in red typeface), or put in the names in plain black typeface - I do not believe my more conservative acceptance of plain black typeface for certain alumni is improper by Wikipedia standards so long as the alumni meet the intent of the section title "Georgia Law Alumni" and the introductory paragraph defining language including that "Georgia Law alumni and alumnae include the few following random examples:" (notice "Notable" is neither in the section title nor in the introductory paragraph).

Even if you conclude that the alumni included must be "notable," they well meet that criteria, also.

Why should a lawyer with five years in practice be allowed in the alumni list because she was in a couple of films and has a Wikipedia article (Clara Bryant) while a lawyer considered "one of the Top Ten Trial Lawyers in the United States" or one who has tried cases in 31 different states and who obtained one of the largest (if not the largest) verdicts ($454 million) not be included in alumni because they don't happen to have their own Wikipedia article.

Quiet frankly, even if articles for the latter attorneys could be produced, time usage with attendant extensive citation research might not make them doable. While these alumni may or may not warrant an article even if time allowed, they are worthy of mention in just a section of an article, as many people and things are throughout Wikipedia.

The article is about "alumni", not necessarily just about judges, politicians, et al. who are subjects of Wikipedia articles. For the most part law school alumni are lawyers who are not usually subjects of Wikipedia articles regardless of their being known by fellow attorneys, clients, and rating services. There are many worthwhile persons who happen not to be in Wikipedia. Please reread the list and I trust you will see it meets Wikipedia standards. Of primary importance, my list of alumni gives the general public useful, worthwhile, valuable and noteworthy information that provides a sufficiently plenary and ample sampling of the sort of alumni the law school has thus assisting the reader in understanding the law school as a whole, which is the point. /DBManley /tlk  DBManley 04:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There are several Wikipedia guidelines that are relevant here: WP:WTAF, WP:NOTABILITY, WP:3RR and WP:COI. The persistent attempt to enter lists of persons whose notability has not been established per encyclopedic guidelines is disruptive, and gives the impression that there's a conflict of interest here, as well as a willful ignorance of our policies re: notability, in favor of insisting on one's own criteria. 04:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk)
 * Also see WP:ALUMNI and the various items linked there. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I have been up working to absorb your notes, efforts and Wikipedia standards. I am an alumnus of the school, but have no contact with the school including its dean, staff, admins., profs., students, prospective students, etc., don't contribute money to it, don't even go to reunions or other school events, and don't know any of the alumni I was using in my edit. I edit this page because I am an alumnus with some historical knowledge of the school, care about it in a general way, and get newsletters from it. I thought the alumni I listed with their information and citations were common sense notable (I found them through Wikipedia listed law firms' web sites searching for law school grads, not from any personal information, was ignorant of the notability guides and had messaged an administrator before I did my final reversion). I have been editing small things mostly as a periodic diversion and during illnesses/operations recovery, and obviously needed more research, knowledge and care in my edits. Thank you for the references. I had my alumni status on the LinkedIn page I linked in my user page, but will note my alumnus status on any revisions of this page, will not edit it further except to correct past problems or provide unique additions probably not known to other editors, and will actually avoid editing - then only unless of course within Wikipedia standards. I will avoid any appearance of advertising or writing other than in a neutral manner, will be a good steward and avoid any coi, and will avoid repeating others' information. If you have any things you have spotted that have not been corrected please let me know. Obviously I have much to learn. Thank you for your help. DBManley /tlk  DBManley 08:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This seems to go back years, and was only properly realized last night. You've been adding promotional content and slow edit-warring over alumni since 2013, and were first notified about copyright violations that same year . Last week you promised another editor that you would stop adding copyright violation content to articles, and have since gone on what could be fairly described as a copyvio binge (administrators, see edit history of the article). I've requested a user block; I'm also seeking advice from administrators. Thank you. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC)



I haven't had time or present ability to recall having but only two writing copyright problems, plus waiting for picture copyright permission from the University that sent the pictures to me (none of which related to the law school). The latter were not extreme and, in any event, these few problems since 2013 do not warrant a user block. You give me no examples, and I am presently clueless, regarding your statement that I "have since gone on what could be fairly described as a copyvio binge." This all started with my wish to add alumni to the law school page and I messaged administrator Diannaa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Diannaa) on my position, also set forth above. I have learned about notoriety now, and will be more vigilant as to copyright, would appreciate a list of what I am ignorant of regarding a "copyvio binge" and would very much like to have the intervention of Dianna or another administrator. Your extreme act to ban me, all things taken together, makes me wonder about any motive besides just being an enforcer of good editing since I believe that I have contributed to Wikipedia and am still learning the ropes. Regards, DBManley  /tlk  DBManley 13:43, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but an editor can not credibly refer to an edit history of more than four years and then claim to be learning the ropes. A brief look at the article edit history of last night will show just how much copyright violation content that was restored--after the promise to not do so--had to be removed yet again. My suggestion, should this be brought to ANI, would be a block from editing this article. A broader review of hundreds, or thousands, of edits to other articles may be merited to confirm that similarly promotional problems don't exist--my hope is that this article has been an exception. As for questioning my motive, that probably will not prove to be a beneficial path. Thanks, 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It may be four years but most edits were just error corrections, or neutral additions, with any problems being minimal and periodic specially compared to the number of edits. Yet I will be better informed and will not relax my editing again. I don't recall restoring any copyright violation content unless you are referring to the alumni that I restored and don't believe they violated copyright. If otherwise, please be more specific. I just stated my belief and always felt this use of such a right beneficial for me. On the other hand I appreciate cordial and helpful, rather than irate, accusatory and authoritarian, discussions. DBManley /tlk  DBManley 16:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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