Talk:University of Mary Washington/Archive 1

ARCHIVE 1

Middlesell Links
''NOTE: This discussion was moved from the talk page of User:Takeel. Metros232 02:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)''

Takeel, I am the one who has added the links for Middlesell to the UMW, JMU, and VT wikipedia pages. I do not consider the links to these pages to be spam. This is especially true in the case of the UMW website, URL www.middlesell.com. This website has grown into a student-run, student-used website. We have an average of 2,000 UMW students a day (this is about 50% of the Fredericksburg Campus population of 2,000). The site originated here, in Fredericksburg, and is not a "spam site" and is run by a few college kids here. Furthermore, we maintain a very close relationship with the University's IT & University Relations staff, and have received their (albeit unnecessary) blessing.

We like the concept of our site because it localizes the internet to specific college campuses, and so we are in the process of launching it at other schools. There are nearly zero users at both the Tech and JMU sites. If you feel that it is not appropriate for the links to these sites to exist on those pages, I respect that. However, in the case of the University of Mary Washington page, I politely insist that it be left alone--especially if links to the radio station (it does not broadcast and is not on campus domain) as well as to UMW Underground (ditto) are allowed to remain.

Please contact me if you have any problem with this, I am perfectly willing to discuss it.

Thank you, Bobby UMW Student (Class of 2009) Middlesell.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Analyzethis (talk • contribs).


 * Hi, Bobby. The reason I removed your link is because I agree with the community stance that Wikipedia is not for advertising websites.  It looks like others agree with me because I'm not the only person who removed links to middlesell.com.  If you'd like to pursue this further, you might check here or here for good first steps.  Thank you.   --Takeel 03:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's linkspam. The website appears to be nothing more than a blog.  Metros232 04:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Spam.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 07:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Takeel, you have no idea what you're talking about. If our site is not "allowed" to be linked on the University of Mary Washington page, why are the other two (UMW Underground and WMWC Radio)? Also, whoever referred to the site as "nothing more than a blog" is thoroughly incorrect. You do not attend the University of Mary Washington, and you do not use this web site. It is a resource that one half of our school utilizes on a daily basis. This is not link spam. Please do not discriminate against our site just because we don't have "UMW" in our domain name. End of story. Analyzethis 18:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)Bobby


 * I don't know why those two websites are linked. Should we remove those, as well?  WMWC's webpage says that it's not affiliated with Mary Washington University and the other site doesn't look like it has much content of its own. --Takeel 04:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * After carefully reading over some guidelines, I will not continue to add the link to the site that I run in conjunction with several other students for the specific reason of a conflict of interest being present. That being said, I do feel that you do not grasp the concept of the website we run.  We are a student organization on campus, just like a newspaper, or a band, or a radio station.  We are STUDENTS.  Our site is a part of campus life, and it deserves links just as much as all of the links you find at the JMU and VT pages.  I believe that if you look at our site from this perspective, you will see that we are not advertising a website.  The only reason that we added the link in the first place is so that individuals who are considering attending UMW will take a look at our site and see what life is like at our school--online.


 * I believe that all three links should stay, as they are all part of the campus life here at UMW. However, if our site is deemed ineligible, then the others should be removed as well.Analyzethis 06:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)Bobby


 * That can be arranged, let's keep only the official main page. Collections of related blogs, newsfeeds, or portals are irrelevant to the encyclopedic topic and should be avoided. Femto 13:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Bobby. I think everyone reading this discussion understands that you want to develop your website and see it grow, but Wikipedia tries to avoid certain external links in accordance with community-developed guidelines.  In spite of this, I hope that you'll still be interested in contributing to the encyclopedia. --Takeel 15:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Takeel, I think that you and I have different opinions. I will not edit this page any longer by adding my link under it, but I believe that your opinion is biased because you don't attend our university.  I am confident that others will add a link to our site.  I also disagree with Femto.  Is a portal irrelevant if more CURRENT (keyword CURRENT) students use our site than they use the official www.umw.edu domain (most people using this domain only register for classes, check e-mail, or scope out the school prior to apply)?


 * Technically, an article needs no external links at all. The inclusion of a link should be determined solely by encyclopedic relevance, not by popularity. Femto 20:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Bobby, in addition to what Femto said...think about what you're saying. "We should include this link because students use it.  It's more important than UMW.edu because students use it.  UMW.edu is just for people who want information about the school."  The people who read this article aren't going to be students looking for information about their college, it'll be outside people.  Metros232 20:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Femto, I think that's irrelevant. Let's take a look at the page for JMU. I see links to "The Breeze"...campus newspaper of JMU which is not on the jmu.edu domain. I also see a link to www.jmusports.com as well as www.jmubrassband.org. How is our site any different from these when you get down to the core of the argument? And, to sum up my argument, take a look at the Virginia Tech page. There is a link to www.collegiatetimes.com, the "independent student newspaper." If you look at their page, they state the following: "The Collegiate Times, a division of the Educational Media Company at Virginia Tech, was established in 1903 by and for the students of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. The Collegiate Times is published every Tuesday through Friday of the academic year except during exams and vacations. The Collegiate Times receives no funding from the university." This is not inherently different from the website we run here at the University of Mary Washington. Also, please don't answer back with "Please consult the following style guides...yadda yadda." If the links can exist on the JMU and Virginia Tech pages, Middlesell's should as well --199.111.85.50 00:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Bobby


 * Hi, there. Concerns about other article are probably best discussed on their respective talk pages.  --Takeel 01:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No, Takeel, they're best talked about here because they're relevant to why Middlesell.com's link should be included on this page. I wish that someone had the tact to actually discuss this with me rather than circumventing the issue by throwing out references, rules, and procedural excuses.


 * No, Takeel is right. See the Pokemon test.  While that actually pertains to Articles for Deletion, I think it is also pretty appropriate here.  Don't make arguments that point out what other articles have.  Those articles are neither here nor now.  Metros232 01:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ....Or you're incorrect. What do Pokemon have to do with UMW?  I think you need to get off of your Gameboy, Metros232.  I used those two as examples.  Haven't you ever heard of the legal concept of precedence?  If the precedent of those other two larger, far more developed pages have those links, then ours should too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Analyzethis (talk • contribs).


 * See meta:Talk:Spam blacklist. If there's no other way to enforce WP:EL with regards to Middlesell's repeated linking, then just have it blacklisted. That's pretty harsh, though, especially since there's talk that Google might start using our list in the future as part of their own efforts to reduce spamdexing.If that happened, it would have the effect of kicking them Middlesell of Google's listings, also. Hopefully, it won't come to that. --A. B. 06:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Er, well, it has stopped. --Takeel 13:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently A.B. works for the Department of Justice. Of course it stopped, I'm not some "heartless spammer" living in basement in Cleveland with my mom.  I'm a student in Fredericksburg, and I think that threats like those from A.B. laced with "Well...stop it or we'll kick you off of Google" are thoroughly unproductive.  Since no one wants to have a debate with me, I think we'll just let it rest that my position is correct in principle, but none of you want to let your wikiPride get hurt in actually debating me on the issue in terms of the nature of my website.  Precedent, precedent.  Incidentally, the link was never responsible for more than 3 or 4 referrals a day...it was more just a matter of principle since this website is such a large part of the UMW community.  We plan to author a full article on this, so expect dozens of different "MWC" IP addresses adding the link in the future.Analyzethis 16:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the threats Bobby. Whenever those IPs come along to add the link, we'll be sure to take care of them. Metros232 18:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Middlesell will be blacklisted when your threatened flood of anonymous editors hits. As to what Google might do with the blacklist, you can take that up with them. Cheers, --A. B. 19:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: I consider this comment a threat. Also, I wish you wouldn't break the rules.  Please see the following: Please do not bite the newcomers, Etiquette,  Assume good faith.  One would think that nice people such as yourselves wouldn't be so harsh to a newcomer like me.  Your rudeness is unbecoming.67.131.148.171 00:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the www.WMWC.org website is in fact affiliated with the University of Mary Washington. We are the university's radio station, and if you take the time to look at the page, you will see under the "about" section that we describe in full that we are a part of the university. Not to mention that the wmwc.org mainpage shows our mailing address being located at the university campus. Furthermore, WMWC has a wikipedia page of its own that describes its affiliation to UMW. Is this not convincing enough? There is no reason to remove a link to WMWC.org, as we are the official radio station of UMW. --Gypsyheart 00:05, 14 December 2006


 * This article is about the university, not about its radio station. If WMWC even has its own article there's absolutely no reason to include an external link here. Internal links are always preferable. Just give WMWC a mention in the article with an internal link to its page. Femto 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Academics
The University of Mary Washington is a public liberal arts university accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.[8] It is not a research university but instead focuses on undergraduate and graduate education.

The campus is within walking distance to the historic downtown area of Fredericksburg with shops, restaurants, and the Rappahannock River.[9] The other campuses are the Stafford Campus, seven miles north of Fredericksburg, and the Dahlgren Campus, near the Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division.

Master's degrees include a Master of Business Administration (MBA), Master of Education with Initial Teacher Licensure (M.Ed.), Master of Education for Professional Development or Added Endorsement (M.Ed.), Education Endorsement and Certificate Programs, and a Master of Geospatial Analysis (MSGA). UMW also offers a Geographic Information Science certificate.[10]

The university also offers Continuing and Professional Studies courses. The focus is on growth and development professionally, personally, and organizationally. The students find a variety of opportunities to put their minds to work, whether they are deepening their current skillset or learning something completely new. The CPS courses offered fall under these categories. Graduate School Preparation, Certifications, and Career Advancement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jponceumw (talk • contribs) 19:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Notable Faculty
How about the last President, who got canned because he carried on like a freshman?-- T HE F OUNDERS I NTENT  TALK 23:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean Hample who bought $29K bookshelves, or Trawley, who got two DUIs in a week? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.181.106.116 (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Mixed-Sex versus Co-educational?
What is the proper term to use? Is "co-educational" considered sexist or is it just he term "co-ed"?Wkharrisjr (talk) 16:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)wkharrisjr

Edit request from Molecularr, 11 April 2010
The president is now Rick Hurley, not Judy Hample. http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/042010/04112010/540317

Molecularr (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks.  Chzz  ►  17:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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Edit request from Jacobcearl, 26 July 2010
The first sentence in the Rankings section regarding U.S. News and World Report is misleading as is written. U.S. News and World Report does not rank UMW as the 5th best public university in the South, but rather the 5th best public Master's university in the South  and the 11th best Master's university in the South overall .

Jacobcearl (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Done — AJ Cham  02:28, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Category for UMW wikipedians
There is now a user category and userbox for wikipedians from Mary Wash: Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Mary Washington. - Morgan Riley (talk)

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