Talk:University of Missouri

Greek listings
Listings of fraternities are not useful because there is so little documentation and so much fluctuation. The Missouri table is badly sourced, since one of the references is a dead end and the other only refers back to a university site. This is weak sourcing and not of value for an encyclopedia. Where have you found other Greek listings as part of a university article? They should be removed and merged with good lists on pages like this one. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 20:25, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In my mind it is a false dichotomy that either there should be so much information about the Greek System that it is its own page or it shouldn't be included at all. With a system this large, it seems like there is more than enough *and* IMO, a primary source would be sufficient as it is not controversial.Naraht (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Naraht. Pls see WP:UNDUE and the question of reliable sourcing. If it is only a reference back to the university's homepage, that is not a very useful reference. Fraternity listings are usually puff, that is, filler-material. Long tables listing fraternities usually don't provide any information about the fraternity itself, when it was founded, where its house is, how often it has been disciplined, and so on. Greek life is usually not relevant for an encyclopedia because it is comparable to clubs which exist at almost every university. If, however, a fraternity has distinguised itself in some manner, then of course it is relevant. Maybe @GuardianH wants to chime in and give us his view on the matter. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 06:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll have to take a look at the article, but I don't want to chime in officially because me and Melchior share some of the same views regarding the removal of promotional material and puffery. If @Naraht agrees, I could provide a second opinion. GuardianH (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The large majority of the Greek Letter Organizations listed in the article have articles themselves and are notable and it is *rarely* appropriate for articles to exist about the individual chapters. Do you all mind if I alert the Fraternity and Sorority Wikiproject to this, a removal of the of Greek Letter Organizations here would indicate that they would be removed in hundreds of other articles.Naraht (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, the removal of the Greek Letter Organizations here wouldn't constitute a removal on another article. See WP:OTHER, Wikipedia articles are generally considered uniquely distinct as editors may come to different consensus(es). GuardianH (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Since, as @Naraht says, it "is *rarely* appropriate for articles to exist about the individual chapters," it is also not appropriate for them to be listed in the article about the university. There is usually no encyclopedic relevance for individual chapters if there is nothing to cite except a listing on the university's homepage. WP:UNDUE applies. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 06:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)