Talk:University of Missouri–Kansas City/Archive 1

Oak Street Dorm
Crazy dorm rules. Anyone know why in the oak street dorm the doors are locked 24 hours a day, and you must swipe your keycard to get in and show it to the person behind the front desk? Why you then also have to swipe the card again to go up the elevator? Why if you have a guest, that guest must turn in their drivers license to the front desk to enter? Why if a guest stays for more than 2 nights(even on long weekends) they must pay a fee per night after? (Of course despite the fact you already paid for your room and your guest either shares your bed or sleeps on the floor) Oh and all the doors have strong closers on it so you walk the hallways and you see or interact with no one. Very Very VERY! Antisocial dorm.


 * This is really not the place to discuss that sort of thing. Besides, I didn't have that experience in the Oak St. Dormitory. When I visited friends there (I lived off campus.) the lower level doors were always unlocked before a certain time each night, and no one at the front desk ever asked to see my ID. By the way, when you edit a talk page don't forget to sign it with four tildes. Mrmb6b02 17:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The doors are locked 24 hours a day in order to ensure that the staff knows who is in the building and to attempt to keep out undesirable people in the residence hall. The swipe card system is "front door key" similar to what you would have at your own home. The reason that a resident must present it to the front desk is again so we know who is in the building and that if it is a guest, he/she is checked in. The reason guests must leave a photo ID at the desk is so we know who is in the building. In the event of an emergency, we have an accurate log of nonresidential guests that we can use in the event of missing persons if the say the hall burned down. The reason for the two night rule is that though the resident has paid for the room, the guest has not. Three people in a room is considered cohabitation by the UMKC Board of Trustees. The strong closer system is due to fire codes. All buildings built after a certain time must have automatic closers. This is so the fire resistant doors can close to protect the resident in the event that a fire is in the area. 134.193.76.21 16:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)J.R. Benmuvhar, Community Assistant


 * Good defense, J.R.! St. Xerxes would be proud.Nlj7b2 (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

UM System seal
I need someone who graduated from UMKC (i.e., knows what the diploma looks like) to answer this: is the UM System seal on the outside cover or on the diploma itself? Any other logos? Is the UM System seal used anywhere on campus at all? Could UMKC students even identify it? Just wondering and trying to decide what to do with the infobox. Thanks.—Lazytiger 19:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The UM system seal is located at least one place on the campus: way above the door of Flarsheim Hall that faces Rockhill Rd. I've also seen it displayed on flags around campus. It probably hangs somewhere in the U-Center too, though I can't say that for sure. I can definitely identify it, though I can't speak for others. Unfortunately, I can't answer your questions about the diploma because, although I graduated recently and the diploma was mailed to my home address, I am not at home right now. I have it, but I haven't actually seen it. Sorry. Mrmb6b02 15:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The UKC seal is on western wall of Haag hall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcjelavich (talk • contribs) 00:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Please move back
The page move was wrong. The dash is used in writing to illustrate a pause in speaking. The UMKC official site clearly uses regular hyphen throughout. http://www.umkc.edu/umkc/catalog/html/intro/0200.html Badagnani 06:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The en dash is the proper English punctuation for the title of the university. You are right to say that one of the uses of the em dash is to illustrate a pause in speaking, but we are talking about the en dash here. Many people are simply ignorant of the en dash's existence or proper use. Hyphens are primarily for one purpose—to create compound words. There is no place called Missouri-Kansas City that has a university. There is, however, a University of Missouri at Kansas City. The en dash is used in places where words such as "at" or "in" or a comma (such as University of California at Berkeley) could be used instead. I am well-aware of the fact that UMKC—as well as UMSL, MU, UMR, and countless other universities and organizations—often use hyphens on their websites and (even more embarrassingly) on their printed materials. This is purely out of laziness and/or ignorance of the proper punctuation. I see no reason to repeat their mistakes here. This argument was already hashed out on the MU talk page. See also the Wikipedia Manual of Style. And in any case, a redirect for the hyphenated variation exists, so there should be no problem with people accessing the article.—Lazytiger 14:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Quality
I don't believe the writing in the history sections of this entry are encyclopedia quality. I have tried a few times to rewrite them, but someone has felt the need to revert or modify most of my changes. I'm giving up. Hopefully, prospective students will not be turned off to the university because of the poor representation of it on this website. To the original author: this is not a personal criticism. It is an alumnus looking out for the best interests of his alma mater. Mrmb6b02 (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Table format for alumni
I really dislike the table format for alumni that was added here. It is difficult to edit, not consistent with other colleges, and the table format is not in a useful manner (e.g., structured sortable).Americasroof (talk) 21:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Truman & Law School
The inclusion of the other schools from which POTUSs and Supreme Justices DID graduate tends to give its claims more weight than they deserve. I'd like to take the names of the others out of the article. Thoughts? Tapered (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a kind of a nifty and surprising (and documented) fun fact. I changed the wording to make it clear that he did not graduate and did not practice law.  I don't think anybody would confuse UMKC with Harvard but it is a fun item for a relatively unknown school. Don't overthink it!  A more troubling item (and not particularly notable) is about judges and test scores which does not have documentation that I could check.  P.S. thanks for putting an item on my talk page about this.Americasroof (talk) 11:07, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. Whenever I see the "one of seven" or similar claims I always like to see the other names -- mainly to verify the claim. If they weren't in there you would have to do a lot of googling to piece them together.  The UMKC publicity on this doesn't name the other schools so we're actually improving on it (UMKC's claim is actually inaccurate --it lists 7 -- since it didn't catch all the schools -- that's the advantage of listing them).  Americasroof (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed the wording of the sentence in a way that conveys the dubiety of UMKC's claim, and emphasizes reality of appropriate claimants. Tapered (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Scholarships
I have twice removed a listing of (only two - why only two? Why only those two?) scholarships from the article. In the first place, the material is unsourced. Even if it were sourced, I would still contend that the material is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article about the entire school. It's way too detailed for a general article. Further, this is not meant to be a guide to the institution but a broad overview. ElKevbo (talk) 07:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

1. The source is here: http://sgs.umkc.edu/fellow/index.asp

2. Some areas in UMKC are famous in research, e.g., Art performance, Computer Science, ... Adding these content can attract students who are interested in research to apply this school. This information is a helpful reference for future students.

3. Some content can be removed to make it short.

4. Since wiki is a public encyclopedia for people to contribute, please consider this change.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haha1221 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I too am hesitant to include it. One, it is far too detailed, Wikipedia is not a list. Two, as Haha said one of the main reasons one might add it would be to attract or advertise to students; Wikipedia is not the place to do that. If there is something unique or notable about these specific scholarships then perhaps they should be mention. However, based on the source provided, I'd say they are pretty run of the mill. Thirdly, if you start listing scholarships where do you stop? UMKC probably has one thousand separate scholarships. Haha1221, If you are interested in improving the information about art performance and computer science I would find some third-party WP:Reliable sources and incorporate that info into the prose. Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I have to agree. Unless these scholarships are particularly notable in some way (e.g., have gotten significant press or other reliable source discussion outside the institution, are particularly weird in some fashion that has been commented on, or are a whole large group of scholarships funded by one famous alumnus), they should not be listed. (When I'm maintaining the Gloucester County College webpage, I don't add anything unless it's specified in the style guide or mentioned by a outside-institution reliable source.) Now, if there is reliable information available about art performance, computer science, etc being areas of focus, then noting this and putting "Scholarships are available in these areas." and referencing the above page would be fine. Allens (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with ElKevbo. The scholarships section isn't really appropriate for inclusion in this article.  It was a numbered list.  It was unreferenced.  It was out of place in the article and the scholarships are not important enough to the uni as to make their inclusion necessary.--GrapedApe (talk) 12:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Additional alumni
Edward F.Zigler, the founder of Head Start and a Sterling Professor of Psychology, Emeritus, at Yale University, should be added to the list of notable alumni. According to his profile on this website: https://medicine.yale.edu/childstudy/zigler/people/edward_zigler-2.profile. It notes that he received his B.A. from "The University of Missouri-Kansas City" in 1954, although, of course, then it was the University of Kansas City.(talk). —Preceding undated comment added 20:43, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Photos
Many of them would look better lightened. 2603:7000:2143:8500:496D:6125:17F2:93BA (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2022 (UTC)