Talk:University of North Carolina at Asheville/Archive 1

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Notable Faculty/Alumni
Adding people to both of those list should meet these requirements ChadH (talk) 18:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Kenny Geoge and BB
Whoever wrote that stuff about Kenny George isn't funny.

LOL @ whoever put BB (Bra Burning) at women's studies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.28.129.127 (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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School Name
Is the school's name UNC at Asheville or UNC Asheville? My understanding is that there was a transition from the first to the second, but their website seems to use both.Plcoffey (talk) 18:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The official names of the schools in the UNC system are set by the North Carolina General Assembly in Section 116‑4 of the North Carolina General Statutes. The "at" is in the official name of the university until the state legislature decides to change it. The individual schools in the UNC system do get to determine the official abbreviation of the school, such as "UNC Asheville" or "UNCA", but the official name of the school is "University of North Carolina at Asheville". Rreagan007 (talk) 19:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

College vs. University
UNC Asheville offers a Master of Liberal Arts & Sciences, formerly called Master of Liberal Arts. By definition, having a master's program makes it a university, rather than a college. However, during COVID, the program went into hiatus. This may be a permanent closure of the MLAS program, but the university has yet to drop the program from its website, even updating it with regards to class offerings for spring 2023. Until there is finality to the end of the program, it is appropriate to continue calling UNC Asheville a university. If they end the program for good, college will be the correct term. Rublamb (talk) 23:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This institution is clearly classified as a college by prominent, reliable sources, including the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education and U.S. News & World Report rankings. ElKevbo (talk) 00:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * U.S. News classifies UNC Asheville as both a liberal arts college and a public school for the purposes of rankings, and also defines the major difference between college and university as the latter offers a graduate degree. Carnegie notes that UNC Asheville offers a master's degree. I remember the trend of small colleges (both private and public) in North Carolina and elsewhere in the United States adding a graduate program so that they could be called a university. Granted calling the institution a university is vanity in many cases and schools like UNC Asheville seem to play both sides, as there is an advantage to being a "small liberal arts college" when it comes to competing for rankings. I have yet to find a usable source that explains their plans for the MLAS program--just the announcement that they were not accepting applications on their website that popped up around the time some of the program's faculty retired. (The strange things you find when creating a notable faculty list!) All that being said, I agree that Carnegie's classification is reliable. If it is considered the standard (rather than the common use definition of a university having a graduate program), then I am fine with calling UNC Asheville a college. Rublamb (talk) 02:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Carnegie basic classification - in this case, "Baccalaureate Colleges: Arts & Sciences Focus" - is the gold standard for classifying colleges and universities in the US. For example, it's the origin of the "R1" designation to which many universities aspire. It's run by higher education scholars and experts - it recently moved to the American Council on Education after being at a higher education research center at Indiana University for several years - so it's as good a source as there can be in this area. ElKevbo (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked at Carnegie's definitions page which says 50 of more graduate degrees awarded in the prior academic year is the dividing line between what they call "Baccalaureate Colleges" and "Master's Colleges and Universities". Note that this is not the difference between a college or university, simply an indication that UNC Asheville falls into their Baccalaureate College category even when its MLAS program was active (because there were only five MLAS graduates in the last recorded year). Thus, I agree it would be correct to refer to UNC Asheville as a Baccalaureate College in its infobox. Beyond that, it can still be called a university (following its institutional name) that is classified as liberal arts college by U.S. News and a Baccalaureate College by Carnegie. Rublamb (talk) 03:31, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, we're not going to say that it's one thing when the sources say that's it something else. There are several institutions that have names that are different from their actual classification, including those like this institution that are a college that are part of a university system.
 * I understand that you have your own definition of a "university" but that definition clearly is not in alignment with what is used by the experts in this area as documented in reliable sources. ElKevbo (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The source you suggested, U.S. News, provides the definition I am referencing. There are dozens of other reliable sources that also define the difference between a college and a university as whether or not the institution offers graduate degrees. This usage and the naming tradition of the educational industry pre-dates Carnegie by many, many decades. (Carnegie only started in the 1970s). This is not "my" definition, unless you think I control the majority of dictionaries.
 * There is a difference between common usage/dictionary definition of a word and the way a term is used by organizations that rank institutions of higher learning. Note that Carnegie's usage is a capitalized title, and that it uses both terms--college and university in lower case--interchangeably within the same ranking category. Clearly, Carnegie distinguishes between their own ranking system and the naming conventions of institutions. Thus, your own preferred source does not attempt to rename or rebrand the institution based on its ranking definition. Furthermore, there are historic institutions that closed before 1973 and existing institution that withdrew from ranking programs or outside the Carnegie geographic range--do they lack a "category" because they are not defined by Carnegie?
 * As I previously stated, you were correct about the classification of UNC Asheville, and I appreciate your noticing the error which pre-dated my edits to this article. Because of your correction and willingness to discuss this topic, I have learned something new. However, I maintain that it is still correct to refer to UNC Asheville as a university in prose, as in "The university (or University which is allowed by MOS) has a volleyball team, baseball team, and basketball team." because that is the part of the name of the institution. Again, there is a difference between institutional name/independent rating system/and general definition--and all three can be used correctly within the same article. You, of course, a free to disagree. Rublamb (talk) 21:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Until you can provide expert sources - not general dictionary definitions - that explicitly classify this institution as a "university" we're going to stick with the available high quality, scholarly sources. ElKevbo (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no longer a dispute on the classification here and no need to prove anything. You had indicated that it was incorrect to refer to this institution as a "university" for the subject of a sentence, even when specifically referring to the institution's name. My point is that classifications do not change the institutional name and it is never incorrect to refer to an institution by its name when writing for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a general, non-scholarly, resource. I can still call a plant or animal by its common name, and not always refer to its scientific classification. And I would challenge you to find anyone who would say that OED is not scholarly; certainly, it goes through more peer review than Carnegie. Rublamb (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

location of some historical content
There is a "news archive" search at https://www.northcarolina.edu/news-archive/ but that evidently is only designed to go back to 2007, never mind that it just doesn't seem to work very well.

Some older content at Wayback, going back as far as 1997, may be accessible here. As an example, this link accesses the 2002 "Five-year Report" on the state of the university. Fabrickator (talk) 02:17, 5 September 2021 (UTC)