Talk:University of Notre Dame/GA3

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I will add my comments over the next few days. Sainsf &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 05:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


 * General
 * A lot of duplicate links in the latter part of the article. You can remove them yourself using this tool. Please note that at some places the links may be necessary, for instance if the last link was quite a while ago.
 * Bold is generally not used in the article except in the first few lines of the lead.
 * The tone is positive overall, has there never been any controversy surrounding the university?


 * Lead
 * Use convert template for acres
 * I think "recognizable" is redundant
 * The lead generally has three to four paras for articles of this length
 * Citations are generally excluded from the lead unless you state something controversial. All facts in the lead should also be mentioned and cited in the main article, please check that.


 * Foundations
 * Link Holy Cross at first mention
 * Fr. Sorin arrived on the site... additions to the campus Source?


 * Early history
 * Say either Sorin or Fr. Sorin
 * With each new president... housed in the Main Building Source?
 * a library collection was started by Father Lemonnier. By 1879 it had grown to ten thousand volumes that were housed in the Main Building. Better add in the first line that the library was housed in the Main Building, and remove "were housed in the Main Building" from the second line
 * and the school closed immediately  Better replace "and the" by a semicolon
 * The university founder, Fr. Sorin and the president  comma after Sorin
 * on the 17th of May  May 17, as per the MOS
 * Around the time of the fire, a music hall was opened. Eventually becoming known as Washington Hall, it hosted plays and musical acts put on by the school May be combined. "Eventually becoming known as" sounds a bit clumsy


 * Growth
 * William J. Hoynes (1846–1919) No need to mention these years here. Same for Rev. Zahm
 *  into a great university Were these Zahm's words?
 * erecting buildings and added added→adding
 * His term was not renewed because of fears By whom? Whose fear?
 *  The university continued to expand and add new residence halls and buildings with each subsequent president. Source?
 *  By contrast, the Jesuit colleges, bastions of academic conservatism, were reluctant to move to a system of electives. Their graduates were shut out of Harvard Law School for that reason. Combine
 * Source for the 4th para?
 * listen to the games on the radio listen→listened
 * Please add a few words on KKK, though it is wikilinked


 * Expansion in the 1930s and 1940s
 * vice-president No hyphen, you say "vice president" elsewhere
 * Link CSC at first mention in the article
 * Cavanaugh also presided over the construction...university's governance and development Source? Avoid the repetition of "Cavanaugh also"


 * Hesburgh era
 *  In 1972 the first woman to graduate was Angela Sienko, who earned a bachelor's degree in marketing Rephrase as "In 1972, Angela Sienko, who earned a bachelor's degree in marketing, became the first woman graduate from the university."


 * Recent history
 * Fix the "when?" template
 * Since 2005 You can combine this with the next line by saying "Since July 1, 2005"


 * Campus
 * Italics for "Travel+Life"


 * Buildings and architecture
 * Source for the 2nd para?
 * after a $3.5 million renovation and transformed into the all-ages student hang-out that currently exists. Legends is made up of two parts: The Restaurant and Alehouse and the nightclub. Place ref. 67 at the end of this line if it is the source or add a source for this
 * Convert templates for "83,000 square feet" and "100 yards"


 * Environmental sustainability
 * The university also houses the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies. Father Gustavo Gutierrez, the founder of Liberation Theology is a current faculty member. Source? When is "current"?


 * Global Gateways
 * Better not use bold, present the information as a bulleted list.
 * Are all points sourced?


 * Organization and administration
 * Is it "Fellows" or "Fellows"?
 * The Fellows are a group of ... by that body. Source?
 *  The current is Fr. John I. Jenkins who was elected in 2005.  Repetition from an earlier section
 * The provost of the university, as of 2012 is Thomas Burish; he oversees academic functions Rephrase as "As of 2012, the provost of the university, who oversees academic functions, is Thomas Burish."


 * Colleges
 * Better not use bold, present the information as a bulleted list.
 * It also awards the renowned annual Driehaus Architecture Prize. Source?


 * Graduate and professional schools
 * Source for where Indiana University medical students...medical campus at IUPUI?


 * Admissions
 * Admitted students came from...24% in science, and 3% in architecture. Source?


 * Rankings
 * What is "College Factual"?
 * Is "payscale.com" reliable? What exactly is it?


 * Science
 * Father John Augustine Zahm (1851–1921)  The years are a repetition
 *  and continues now partly through a partnership in the Joint Institute for Nuclear Astrophysics. Source?


 * Humanities
 *  Influenced by Jacques Maritain, John U. Nef Who are they?
 * generations of undergraduates to Gabriel Marcel "Gabriel...Hopkins to generations of undergraduates"


 * Religious life
 * The last line of the 1st para and the rest of the section is unsourced


 * Athletics
 * The official colors of Notre Dame are Navy Blue and Gold Rush Why is it not "navy blue and gold rush"?
 * Neither the university nor its athletic department has ever commented on this assertion. Source?


 * Football
 * Today the team competes in Notre Dame Stadium When is "today"?


 * Men's basketball
 * The men's basketball team has over 1,600 wins As of when?
 * The team is coached by Mike Brey, who, as of the 2014–15 season...Fighting Irish team since 1908-09. Source?


 * Other sports
 * The women's swimming and diving team holds the Big East record As of when?


 * Music
 * The first para is full of short sentences
 * Sources for 2nd and 4th paras?
 * The Internationally recognized "internationally"?
 * What is "Glee"?


 * Alumni
 * A number of university heads are alumni Rephrase as "Alumni include a number of university heads"
 * Whom do you introduce (professional boxer Mike Lee) and whom do you not (Mike Golic) ?


 * Literature and popular culture
 * All points do not appear to be sourced
 * "Rudy" and "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" need italics


 * Possible paraphrasing
 * Please check this:


 * Images
 * There are two images of Knute Rockne
 * All properly licensed


 * Sources
 * Ref. 5, 9, 146, 172, 187, 188, 263 need formatting
 * Date formats need to be consistent
 * The publisher parameter shows problem in ref. 241
 * Page range for ref. 145 (check for similar book sources)
 * Ref. 2 is actually a note
 * Don't put urls in the publisher parameter, give proper names

That should be all. Putting on hold for 7 days. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 16:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I am currently reviewing point by point your comments and making appropriate corrections. I will also address specific points. Eccekevin (talk) 14:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. I look forward to improvements. Please mention the changes made and comments, if any, on the review page. Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 14:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * Citations are generally excluded from the lead unless you state something controversial. All facts in the lead should also be mentioned and cited in the main article, please check that. - I left some citations, especially those on rankings and programs, since they have been source of contention in the past.


 * Graduate and professional schools
 * Should we keep bold font here? For example, for Notre Dame Law School and other institutions. It would make sense since they are important institutions with a different page dedicated to it.


 * Rankings
 * Is "payscale.com" reliable? What exactly is it? - I added the wikilink


 * Athletics
 * Neither the university nor its athletic department has ever commented on this assertion. Source? - I removed the unsourced part. The whole discussion on Muscular Christianity seems useless to me, but I won't touch it.


 * Football
 * Today the team competes in Notre Dame Stadium When is "today"?


 * Men's basketball
 * The men's basketball team has over 1,600 wins As of when?
 * The team is coached by Mike Brey, who, as of the 2014–15 season...Fighting Irish team since 1908-09. Source?

-still to review-


 * Music
 * The first para is full of short sentences
 * Sources for 2nd and 4th paras?
 * The Internationally recognized "internationally"?
 * What is "Glee"?


 * Alumni
 * A number of university heads are alumni Rephrase as "Alumni include a number of university heads"
 * Whom do you introduce (professional boxer Mike Lee) and whom do you not (Mike Golic) ?


 * Literature and popular culture
 * All points do not appear to be sourced
 * "Rudy" and "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" need italics


 * Possible paraphrasing
 * Please check this:


 * Images
 * There are two images of Knute Rockne
 * All properly licensed


 * Sources
 * Ref. 5, 9, 146, 172, 187, 188, 263 need formatting
 * Date formats need to be consistent
 * The publisher parameter shows problem in ref. 241
 * Page range for ref. 145 (check for similar book sources)
 * Ref. 2 is actually a note
 * Don't put urls in the publisher parameter, give proper names

You need not copy my comments on the same page, it would be easier if you reply right under the comments I originally posted. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 17:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Nearly a week since your last response. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 11:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Closing note : The nominator has been away since 18 May and two weeks have passed since their last response. This nomination will have to be failed for now due to inactivity, but I hope the issues noted here and in the previous reviews will soon be resolved and this will be renominated. Good luck with this. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 11:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)