Talk:University of São Paulo/Archive 1

Old discussion
The move to Universidade de São Paulo by User:Darkcore was manually undone for consistency with most other University pages (in the English Wikipedia, they are usually listed under the English name).Jorge Stolfi 17:39, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC) (proud to be a USP alumnus)


 * Well, if you're going to keep the article at an English name, it should have a fully English title. The English name for São Paulo is "Sao Paulo" (without the tilde on the a), so the article should be at University of Sao Paulo, not University of São Paulo.  Also, titles for university articles are not necessarily in English (see Universit&eacute; du Qu&eacute;bec &agrave; Montr&eacute;al).  The title for an article about a university should reflect the most commonly used name of that university.  Darkcore 04:05, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * "University of Sao Paulo" (without tilde) should certainly exist as a redirect, but many of the best English-language newspapers and magazines do write "São Paulo" with tilde. Anyway, the question is what are the *Wikipedia* standards. Based on an informal survey, the convention seems to be that place names use the local spelling when it can be written in ISO-8859-1 (Besançon), except of course when there is a well-established English name (Moscow). On the other hand "University (of)" is generally translated into English, e.g. University of Helsinki, University of Prague, National Autonomous University of Mexico.  Curiously Quebec and Universit&eacute; du Qu&eacute;bec &agrave; Montr&eacute;al follow just the opposite pattern. Go figure...Jorge Stolfi 13:02, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * By the way, it may help to note that USP is "one of the three public universities supported by the State of São Paulo". I suppose that the confusion is likely especially with regard to UNESP: the subtle difference in the names may go unnoticed by non-Paulista readers.Jorge Stolfi 13:02, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Schools and Institutes
Does it bother anyone else that the article is just full of phone numbers and adresses, which really don't express too much information about anything? I mean, I just took a look at the article for the Harvard University, and I really think this article really needs some serious improvement. PHF 04:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Largest in Latin America?
I was surprised to see that USP is the largest institution of higher education in Latin America. I thought UNAM had approx 280,000 students?

Buenos Aires University had 350,000 students.


 * Um, ok, for one, you didn't sign, for two, I think you might have some info that isn't exactly correct. 350,000 students sounds a bit much, considering the University of Texas only has 50,000 undergrads and it is Gigantic, one of the biggest in the states.

Charlesblack 04:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Controversy over Establishment Date
The Wikipedia article on Harvard University claims that the university was established in 1636, even though  the designation "Harvard University" properly was not officially used until probably the mid-19th century. 1636 is actually the year when Harvard College (now a constituent unit of Harvard University) was founded, not the year the university per se as we know it today was established. Apparently,the same criterion is applied to all so-called "historical" U.S universities (Yale, Princeton, Columbia, etc.), i.e. the establishment date as mentioned by the Wikipedia is always the year when the oldest constituent unit or predecessor to the university was founded and not the year when the university properly began to be referred to by its current name. If we were to apply the same criterion in the case of the University of São Paulo, then the establishment date should not be 1934, but rather 1827, when the oldest predecessor to USP, the São Francisco Law School, was created. The Wikipedia article should at least include a reference to the fact that most of the schools that were federated in 1934 to form the new University of São Paulo already existed before as degree-granting institutions (in addition to the Law School, the Polytechnic School for example was established in 1893, i.e. over 40 years before the creation of USP). 161.24.19.82 14:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You can add that to the history section. Even USP's website says that the university was founded in 1934.Evenfiel (talk) 12:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

THES (London Times) Ranking of Top Universities in Biomedicine/Life Sciences
I believe USP has been ranked for 3 years in a row among the top 100 world universities in medicine/life sciences according to the London Times THES ranking. Could anyone provide a link for that ? 161.24.19.82 12:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Alumni
Newton da Costa was not a student of the University; he was indeed a lecturer there. He has graduated in the Universidade Federal do Paraná.

Jonas Mur 16:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Sérgio Buarque de Holanda got a bachelor of law from Universidade do Brasil (Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro today). Not from USP.

Jonas Mur Saturday, 2007-05-05 T 21:17 UTC

Requested move (2007)

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NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 09:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC) University of São Paulo → Universidade de São Paulo — The university should retain its original name, since there is no well established name for it in english. WP:ENGLISH Chico 05:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support My reason is stated above, just listing myself as first support.Chico 05:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support In the event it doesn't have an official English name, then WP:ENGLISH isn't a licence for us to engage in WP:OR and invent one for them. cab 11:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *It does have an English name. See below. —   AjaxSmack     02:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

 * 1) Oppose. ¿Original research? How about this from the official university website, "The University of São Paulo (commonly referred to as USP) is the largest institution of higher education and research in Brazil...", or this, the "University of Sao Paulo Integrated Library System", or pretty much every other English reference at the university's site (e.g., )? —   AjaxSmack     02:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Ah, my bad. I only looked at the front page of the English version, which showed Universidade de São Paulo in the title and image. cab 04:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Oppose WP:UE.-- Hús  ö  nd  01:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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Bad image
I'm removing one apperently malicious image, wich states that 'The Campus, a basic infrastructure to the Brazilian intellectuals.', depicting wild animals walking by the campus. In the picture, it looks like a pretty normal scene, while I can confirm this is extremely rare. It assumes a despiceful view over the university, while it has no notable function and doesnt fit it's location. The frase itself seems to conduct a malicious view over brazilian intelectuals, noting that the basic infrastructure there, associated with the 'brazilian intellectuals' (wierd name...) is in bad shape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.95.153.234 (talk) 06:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The link to the first reference leads nowhere
The link to presumably the list of the top ranked Brazil universities should be fixed somehow. Right now it doesn't work. Check the references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilya-42 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Motto in English
Scientia Vinces should not be read as Through Science you win, instead of Through knowledge you win?

In Portuguese it is Vencerás pela Ciência. See here.

Tom (talk) 04:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed the motto. Alceu (talk) 02:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * "Scientia" in Latin means "Knowledge"; see the motto of the United States Naval Academy. And Starfleet Academy, for that matter.  Powers T 15:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Races
I'd like to know why User:Mhsb keeps removing the session about the race and ancestry of the students of University of São Paulo. The information is sourced and is part of the subject.

The user claims I am "disrupting Wikipedia". The information has a source, and the source in from the website of the University of São Paulo itself. Adding this fact is not "disrupting Wikipedia" at all, but to remove it because "he does not like the information" is, in fact, a vandalism.

Actually, the user must discuss the issue here, not only remove the sourced information because he "does not like it". Opinoso (talk) 14:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Brazil is an "immigration country". The original population was mostly decimated in the early years so, as the own article says, almost all Brazilians descend from immigrants. Been so, what is the reason for saying that about USP's population? If the idea is to say that the uspian population is somehow different from the rest of the population it may probably be interpreted as racism. What is the relevance of talking about the ethnicity in an article that talks about a university? (sorry about my bad english)--LeVraiSáparo (talk) 14:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

CHANGE OFFICIAL NAME TO PORTUGUESE
User:Hentzer Please change the name to Universidade de São Paulo!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.105.113.247 (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move (2010)

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:38, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

University of São Paulo → Universidade de São Paulo — The name of this article should be in Portuguese, not an English translation. Evenfiel (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per where editors discovered that the name in English is as it is now. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 13:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - would the nominator like to provide some evidence that English-language sources use the Portuguese-language version of the name? Powers T 15:25, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I see that the name of the articles from other countries aren't translated, like List_of_universities_in_France and Spanish_universities. Isn't there a policy to translate - or not - university names? Evenfiel (talk) 17:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per  -- PBS (talk) 20:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose as this is the English Wikipedia. D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  04:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose – WP:English requires that we use an English spelling where possible, so maybe we should move the article "University of Sao Paulo" (without the a-tilde), based on the use of this spelling by the university itself on this page. Green Giant (talk) 01:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Sao Paulo", without the a-tilde, is clearly a typo. Evenfiel (talk) 13:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USEENGLISH
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