Talk:University of Saskatchewan/Archive 1

Motto
The motto translates to "God and Country" not "For God and Country" - latin: Pro deo et patria.
 * The U of S website cited source gives the translation under the logo section that the motto is For God and Country ( I don't know Latin myself), but I left the above translation by user unknown under the motto section upon further clarification of this Latin term.  SriMesh |  talk  02:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The Sheaf
Should another article for the U of S's student-run magazine be started in light of the recent controversy that received attention at a national level? Whatever the case, I've updated this wiki entry with a brief summary of the events in question, trying to keep things as NPOV as possible, although it's a bit difficult when space is limited.--Senseiireland 01:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

This business about The Sheaf should not pollute the Campus Life section. Frankly, student-run newspapers often solicit controversy (see The Gateway at the U of A, The Carrilon at the U of R). The description of the incident with The Sheaf is not particularly interesting, or indicative of the university. IMO it defaces the page of the U of S with poorly written babble (eg: "freedom should never comes without responsibility" Either there is a typo, or a missing "[sic]". In either case, it is not properly quoted.) Move it to a new page and link to it. 198.161.119.4 18:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Colleges affiliated with the University?
"Theological Colleges, affiliated with the University, were also established: Emmanuel College - Anglican (1909), St. Andrew's College - United Church of Canada (1913), Lutheran Theological Seminary (1920), St Thomas More College (1936), and Central Pentecostal College (1983)."

University of Regina is also mentioned.

Where is St. Peter's College? It's in Muenster (near Humboldt). There's no wikipedia entry for it (I'm a student there, but I don't know enough about the college and it's history to write one). Shouldn't it be mentioned, as they do teach U of S courses?

Website: http://www.stpeterscollege.ca/

Sheaf Controversy
Although not a contributor to Wikipedia, I am an alumnus of the U of S and a close observer to the whole Capitalist Piglet incident, and I believe that its entry under "controversies" is excessive (555 words) and grossly disproportionate to everything else that the university has contributed to the Canadian educational landscape (for instance, the Canadian Light Source, Canada's only synchrotron, is mentioned in a single sentence). This event has come and gone, and I believe that to represent it on Wikipedia as the most significant section is misleading and not representative of the NPOV. But I feel that since I have not made myself part of the Wiki community, it would be presumptuous of me to edit it without a vote of support from the Wiki community.

A dedicated wiki entry about Capitalist Piglet has now been created. Akiracee (talk) 21:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed the Capitalist Piglet image
The license on the image said that it was created by the author and uploaded as public domain. However, the image is not in the public domain. The copyright is owned by the Sheaf. So I removed the image due to copyright violations as per Wikipedia policy.

I have deleted the section on the Capitalist Pig controvery. If it is to be detailed, it should be detailed on the Sheaf page, as the Sheaf is an autonomous entity within the university community.

2007 Centennial Celebrations
The U of S celebrates 2007 as its centennial year. Where in the article can we add this? Official site: http://www.usask.ca/100 --Victor D PARLE 06:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive results for

 * Support:
 * 1) SriMesh |  talk  04:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) fishhead2100talk contributions 11:53, July 10 2007
 * 3) Ultraflame 15:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Shanemcd 22:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Victor D PARLE  03:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Delzen 05:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Freechild (BoomCha) 03:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Dbiel (Talk) 09:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Bearian 20:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Hawker Typhoon 03:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 11)  Universe=atom  Talk•Contributions 09:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Brandon Christopher 04:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Patrick 21:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Sportsjam3 04:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 15)  Marlith   T / C  01:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) Timrollpickering 22:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) --Qmwne235 14:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) Dl2000 03:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) Michalkun 08:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments:
 * Celebrate the Centennial University of Saskatchewan Anniversary in the year 2007 Please help Celebrate the Anniversary of the U of S Talk Help to bring it to feature status !!!SriMesh | talk  04:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Work needs to be done on expanding the sections - specifically the individual buildings. Hawker Typhoon 03:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Work is being done to try to add more detail about the buildings sections, especially the ones commented upon in the section Museums and Galleries (Sites of Interest). some sites have their own articles/pages now, which is helping to develop this section.SriMesh |  talk  02:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Good article review

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail: GreenJoe 17:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! for the GA rating!! SriMesh | talk  02:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! for the GA rating!! SriMesh | talk  02:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]]Copyrighted images need fair use rationales.


 * Marked Sylvia Fedoruk, changed logo image to free use logo from plaque, the rest of the logos were uploaded from User:SriMesh as their own.
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] The article would also benefit from staggering images. It would not only look better, but it would avoid clumping edit *links together at the end of sections.


 * Moved images to left and to the right.
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]]The references need to be consistently formatted and unused fields can be removed to condense the edit page.


 * removed unused fields.
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] I also question the use of dashes at some points in the article. Paragraphs/sentences should not be frequently separated by dashes as it breaks the flow. Commas and semicolons are more appropriate.


 * Removed some dashes, however, don't know what to do about the buildings which clump together colleges under one roof. As you walk by from the outside, each section of the building is labelled as its own entity, however it is one building which has the add on of the other college, and so on.  The dashes in between the buiding titles refer to one actual physical building which houses separate colleges together...Arts – Law – Commerce building; Marquis Hall – Place Riel – Qu'Appelle building; W.P. Thompson Biology  – Physics Building ; Saskatchewan – Athabasca Hall building; Arts – Law – Commerce building.
 * Please make the necessary changes. Drop a line on my talk page if you have any questions. Regards, Lara   ♥ Love  18:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Above answers and check marks to Lara's comments added by SriMesh | talk  02:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll look over the article tomorrow and try to fix the dash issues. I also replied to the message on my talk page regarding the references. If there is still confusion, I'll work on some of those tomorrow as well. That should help get you in the right direction as far as what changes are needed. Retrieved on dates is one thing I recall. I'm too tired (it's been a long day), but definitely tomorrow I'll look at it. Lara   ♥   03:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello LaraLove. Thank you for your help.  I know what you mean by the long days.  :-)  The map of the bowl and the cojoined buildings around the bowl are here University of Sask Maps


 * I used this spiffy program for the dates...feature article robot review that was suggested on the feature article review which fixed dates, and other WP:MOS problems which was nifty. It helped choose either British or Americanized spellings for the whole article, wiki linked dates, and standardized dates, and requested sub articles for major sections.


 * The image thumbnails have been squished smaller, they were left and right for a short while, but they weren't just right and made different WP:MOS problems, so now instead of 275 px they are 175 px, which may helpSriMesh | talk  05:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

University of Saskatchewan (done)
Instead of sub headings in this section...would it read better as just paragraphs under the main section header. The sub headers for each locale, was only established to show the links to the main articles when they exist? Comments on this area would be appreciated as well...ie if each sub section needs more filling in, or if it should just be one section only and no little subs for each locale. Thank you. SriMesh | talk  03:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC) I did just change this section, as I mentioned above.SriMesh | talk  05:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Lists (to do)
Sections on lists is undergoing change. Listing of presidents was the first to be converted to prose. The other listings will also in short order be undergoing adjustment as well.SriMesh | talk  05:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC) Converted both the presidents and chancellors to prose instead of lists. Should this also be done to notable students and faculty, as it seems straightforward why they are notable especially outside of the U of S. Ie national or provincial leadership, international scientific award, etc. or would these two lists also be better as prose? SriMesh | talk  02:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Red links (to do)
Made college articles, and list of alumni articles... SED Systems Article and Thorbergur Thorvaldson Article, the other red links should be leaving soon as well.SriMesh | talk  05:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Added P. E. MacKenzie third chancellor article —Preceding unsigned comment added by SriMesh (talk • contribs) 06:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC) Donald Maclean SriMesh |  talk  15:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)F. H. Auld, E. K. Turner, Peggy McKercher also have been added now!  SriMesh |  talk  01:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)  Now all the chancellors have their own articles!  Dr. Vera Pezer and IL Therapeuticsare now also added.  Only one more red link to go....SriMesh |  talk  04:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Please go to these articles and expand them if you can also!! Thank you.  SriMesh |  talk  05:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Automated {to do} Peer Review
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
 * Per Wikipedia:Context and Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.[?]
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Dates are wikilinked. Only links are made which are relevant to the U of S and the article.


 * This article may need to undergo summary style, where a series of appropriate subpages are used. For example, if the article is United States, then an appropriate subpage would be History of the United States, such that a summary of the subpage exists on the mother article, while the subpage goes into more detail.[?]
 * There are a few occurrences of weasel words in this article- please observe WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view.
 * it has been
 * might be weasel words, and should be provided with proper citations (if they already do, or are not weasel terms, please strike this comment).[?]
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] This sentence regarding Mr. Wetmore has been revised.


 * Please make the spelling of English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: honor (A) (British: honour), honour (B) (American: honor), neighbor (A) (British: neighbour), neighbour (B) (American: neighbor), meter (A) (British: metre), defence (B) (American: defense), ization (A) (British: isation), counselor (A) (British: counsellor), enrollment (A) (British: enrolment), enrolment (B) (American: enrollment),  grey (B) (American:  gray), program  (A) (British: programme), programme (B) (American: program ).
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Converted article to British spellings unless in a quote or title.

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, SriMesh | talk  00:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]

Peacock tone, and NPOV
There is a fair bit of hyperbole and inappropriate boosterism in in the article, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_peacock_terms. Some trivia like sections are questionable also: notable graduates, distinguished research. I did a little editting and more is required. Fremte (talk) 02:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Programs
A section has been added on programs but it is very limited for the quantity of programs offered at the U of S. A main article should probably be started for this aspect which is referred to from this article to provide a comprehensive coverage of programs. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  23:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a risk with getting too detailed on this. Program offerings constantly change, so unless someone is willing to update such an article continuously, the information could very quickly get out of date and be of limited usefulness. Perhaps a broad, top-level overview of the college programs is OK, with an external link to the university course calendar. Drm310 (talk) 21:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed section to a very generalised overview of the holdings at the campus as a whole, more detail on programs can and should be expanded at University of Saskatchewan Academics or the sub-articles of that article...such as for instance ...Main article: University of Saskatchewan Agriculture & Bioresources College. SriMesh |  talk  23:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Raised importance rating
An attempt is made to gauge the probability of the average reader of Wikipedia needing to look up the topic (and thus the immediate need to have a suitably well-written article on it). Topics which may seem obscure to a Western audience—but which are of high notability in other places—should still be highly rated.SriMesh | talk  03:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

People lists change to prose
The Sections ... Students and Alumni Notable faculty and researchers, Notable alumni, Rhodes Scholars need to be done up as prose such as the change made to the section University administration - University Presidents and University Chancellors. When adding to this section please add REFERENCES for notability and verifying facts please. Also add the addition to the article List of University of Saskatchewan alumni. So this isn't quite so much of a list format, made additions as a SENTENCE or prose or paragraph plese. If this is done with each addition, then revising the article sections to prose format will not take so long. Thank you.SriMesh | talk  23:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Rhodes Scholarships

There are numerous references to be found on the web to various North American universities and all of them list Princeton, Harvard, Yale, McGill, Toronto and Dalhousie as the most prolific producers of Rhodes Scholars. As Dalhousie has 86 or so scholars to its credit, it is impossible for the U of S to have 97. Furthermore, since there is a U of S press release dated 2000 referencing 12 Rhodes scholars since 1981, and only one additional since then (2005), that would mean that in the years since inception (1902) through 1981, the U of S would have had more than one scholar every year - a feat unheard of by any university. I therefore respectfully submit that the number 97 is most certainly inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.4.94 (talk) 02:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)