Talk:University of Texas at El Paso/Archive 1

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UTEP opened in 1914, not in 1913 and it opened up officially as The Texas State School of Mines and Metallurgy, so I had to edit it a little bit.donkey

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Removed Sandra Day O'Connor as she attended Stanford Univ. & Stanford Law and not UTEP. Woody Couder

1966 NCAA Championship
It's debatable to say that Texas Western/UTEP "[broke] an unspoken barrier and transforming the history of college basketball" as Loyola Chicago had won the championship in 1963 with more than 3 black starters throughout the season, as well as being the first team to have five blacks play at one time. The sentence should at least be changed to state that Texas Western/UTEP's championship further improved race relations in the country, without giving it sole credit in changing college sports race issues. Spikethehawk 08:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

lyrics
it is a vital part of the history of the UTEP songs (and must be said) that they originally come from the UT Austin campus. The history has this going back and forth with deletions and additions of this fact, but its a mild form of censorship to deny the fact from wikipedia.

As an El Pasoan and Longhorn, I think it's important to acknowledge that the Austin campus was a major influence on the development of what would eventually become UT El Paso. The Eyes of Texas is an important UT tradition; one I am proud UTEP adopts. __UTDV

Redirect University of Texas to University of Texas System
Hi, there is a ongoing debate about redirecting University of Texas to University of Texas System at talk: University of Texas at Austin. If you are interested, please feel free to join. RockiRock 20:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics and Eyes of Texas happenings
ElpasoHead 21:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC) ElpasoHead Go look at UTEP's official website, you will not find anything about 'the eyes of texas'. Let it be known that I am currently speaking to UTEP's President regarding the issue. There is a reason why it is not on UTEP's website. Let's not post things that are not official.

Let's not bother Dr. Natalicio with trivial matters. By the way, there's no official mention of Miners Fight on the website either. If you search for Miners Fight in parenthesis on the UTEP search page, you get a 107 page PDF with Miners Fight tucked near the end. If the Eyes of Texas is unofficial by omission, then so is Miners Fight (irrefutably an off-shoot of UT's Texas Fight). __UTDV


 * Reply to above from ElpasoHead 05:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC) If you do a search you will most certainly find plenty on UTEP's fight song. View this link which is on utep.edu, http://cab.utep.edu/Word-docs/Miner%20Guide%202005-2006%20Text.doc  You will see plenty about UTEP's official fight song, and Miners Fight.  Dr. Natalicio is the President, she cares about the University and it's history.  It is not a trivial matter.  Thank you for trying.  For all we know UTEP came up with Miners Fight and UTAustin made their version, which would be the offshoot.

Give me a break. I know the history of MY university as well. There is no way UTEP came up with Miners Fight before Texas came up with Texas Fight. It is well documented and it appears on the UT Austin website. A search for Texas Fight would easily turn up a link to the Longhorn Band website. I'll pass along the URL for you, buddy. And I'm not stupid; I know who Dr. Natalicio is. By the way, she's a Texas Exe. She attended graduate school at UT Austin. Check this link out too: 129.116.23.25 06:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)UTDV


 * I have to agree, the Handbook of Texas does not say anything about UTEP in this article. Eyes of Texas is a copyright of the University of Texas at Austin. --Blueag9\talk 22:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Not only am I a docent for the Heritage House Museum at UTEP but I have a copy of the Spirit and Traditions handbook listing "The Eyes of Texas" as UTEP's official Alma Mater. I also have several other sources stating this. Just ask anyone that went to school here in the past. I know what I'm talking about. UTEP is one of the oldest components of the UT system and has shared that song with UT Austin since the 1920s. You can also find a "School of Mines" section in several of UT Austin's yearbooks "The Cactus." This really is an important part of UTEP history and its heritage. It shows our roots as a university and our close relationship to UT and one of the first institutions to enter the UT system. If you would like to learn a little more about the history of UTEP I invite you to visit the museum.

The Eyes of Texas was written to the tune of I've Been Working On the Railroad in 1903 by John Sinclair in Austin TX, a few years before UTEP was founded. What I don't understand is why people are hell-bent on erasing the Eyes of Texas from the history of UTEP. Yes, the Shadows on the Mountain may represent UTEP and El Paso as whole better, but we are talking about a long and proud tradition. UTEP is not the El Paso University, it is the University of Texas at El Paso and as an older institution within the UT System, it should maintain the symbolic ties to Texas as whole. In 1920, when the UTEP student body adopted the Eyes of Texas as their alma mater, they affirmed that UT College of Mines was a part of a great state. 129.116.23.25 07:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)UTDV


 * It seems you are writing us from utaustin, yet you work for the Heritage House Museum at UTEP? Relax, please.  Let utaustin have their history, let UTEP have their own.  Nobody is hell-bent, in fact I believe you're over reacting.  UTEP's fight song truly represents UTEP and El Paso.  Anybody who knows Dr. Natalicio knows where she got her masters, but her love is in El Paso, read her bio.  She doesn't think any of this is trivial.ElpasoHead 08:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not writing from UT Austin. You really are mistaken. I just dont understand why you have to deny a very real part of UTEP history. Yes it is trivial. Thats why you should just get over it and let the song stay. People should be educated about this stuff if they want to. If the information provided is factual and accurate I see no reason why it can't be included in here. This isnt about Natalicio ar anyone else for that matter loving or hating a particular school. It's about heritage, tradition and pride. I am a UT Austin student but I am an El Pasoan and a UTEP fan. As Mapp said, this isn't about UT Austin vs. UT El Paso. It's about factual information being posted. Mapp has credibility even if I do not. Mapp also has evidence, which I'm sure he'll post soon enough. I also wrote that the UTEP Fight song represents El Paso very well. Having lived in El Paso my whole life and listened to UTEP Fight, I will agree with you. I am not calling into question the validity of UTEP Fight. You, however, are omitting history. If you don't like UT Austin, that's one thing. I suspect you don't. I won't take it personally pal. But I am taking the time to write here and support Mapp because you are obstructing truth. In addition, I take great pride that I lived in El Paso, Home of the Miners. I wish UTEP the best. I would prefer that UTEP students now and tomorrow remember the complete and unabridged history of their proud institution. 128.83.101.101 17:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)UTDV

ElpasoHead Mapp and everybody, maybe we got off on the wrong foot here. Would you guys like to post up pictures of the references that you are using? Mapp, setup a wikipedia account and put all of the information up. I still don't think that this is too trivial to involve the President. I will let you know how that goes. In my opinion an alma mater shouldn't come from another school, no matter if we're in the same system or not. I just think that this subject hasn't been brought to the attention of the UTEP big wigs, so something could be done about it. History has been changed before. As a matter of fact Julian, I believe I know you :-)

You may know Mapp, but you probably don't know me. In any case, the Eyes of Texas was adopted by UTEP when it was still a part of the University of Texas. It was a smaller unit of what would become UT Austin. UT and UTEP did not part ways (administratively)until after the Eyes of Texas was adopted. While newer UT System schools can lay no claim to the Eyes of Texas, UTEP did and does to this day. ElpasoHead, you are looking at this narrowly. You assume that UT Austin and UTEP never were one in the same. But it was. It may seem unusual, but it would be as if UTEP had an academic department, such as communication studies, far, far away in another city. UTEP used to be the UT Dept. of Mining and Metallurgy. In fact, UT Austin still operates an academic department in Port Aransas for Marine Biology. 128.83.184.176 22:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)UTDV

Well lets talk about it then. How do you know me? I just think that it should be included. Miners Fight is there even though we have a new fight song. The Shadows on the Mountains was witten at the same time as the "El Paso" fight song. Why can't we have both? Here's the evidence


 * Do you guys wanna start by editing this page? - The Eyes of Texas? Also, how old is that book?  How far can you trace that UTEP has been referring to 'the eyes of texas' as their alma mater (yes I've read 1920, but I would bet that 9/10 UTEP alumni would only recognize Marty Robbins version of our fight song)?  There is a reason why I am involving UTEP administration, because they can make changes and they also want to increase tradition at UTEP.  Tradition that sets UTEP apart from UTA for instance.  ElpasoHead 02:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Why not build traditions instead of tearing old ones down? By the way, I don't attend UT Arlington. I attend the University of Texas at Austin. Abbreviated, it is commonly referred to as UT, hearkening back to when UT Austin was known as THE University of Texas. I can understand that UTEP administration wants to increase tradition. UTEP has gained a lot of momentum in past years and UTEP should take advantage of that. However, as a Longhorn and El Pasoan, I think it is a mistake to delete the Eyes of Texas. I personally feel a great deal more attached to UTEP knowing that we share the Eyes of Texas. The Eyes of Texas was played at the National Championship game against Kentucky. It means something. Bring it back. If you've never heard it, bring it back. Visser001 04:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I only know of a University of Texas at Austin (didn't mean to strike a nerve with you), there is no official university of texas (from what I know), nor a known school that goes by that name. UTA stands for University of Texas at Austin.  I just abbreviated the name.  Like University of Texas at El Paso = UTEP.  I didn't know that they used to be officially the University of Texas, can you direct me to that info outside of Wiki?  Why did they change?  There is a University of Texas system though, which encompasses every University within it.  So who's going to go and add the UTEP info to this page The Eyes of Texas? ElpasoHead 18:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't find that information. However, it is said on-campus that UT used to be the University of Texas but the Board of Regents decided to establish the System by making several universities into Universities of Texas at .... In any case, now you know UTA is not UT Austin. Did you strike a nerve? Let me just say that I am proud of my institution and an assault on The Eyes of Texas feels personal. Again, I was born and raised in El Paso and I am a fan of UTEP. But in any case, I've added the UTEP alma mater information to the Eyes of Texas page too. Now, I'd like to know what your position on this is now. I know Julian's. BTW, I'm home, so if you wanna discuss this, I'd be more than happy to. I'm home for Spring Break. I'd be more than happy to meet you and Julian and talk. Hell, we can meet at Heritage House. Visser001 19:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but if I wanna use an acronym for UTA, I will. If things only make sense on the campus of UTA, then they are not official to everybody outside of your campus, in other words they are not official.  The hardest thing about wikipedia is keeping everything official, let's try our hardest.  I was making the point that there is no university of texas.  It also makes sense for anybody who does not want to write out university of texas at austin every time.  The 'eyes of texas' issue has been taken care of.  Now I'm working with UTEP officials to see what can be done about that.  I thank you for adding the information on that page, as you guys had more information to do so than I did.  Which is why I asked one of you to kindly do it.  Maybe now somebody can add the photos of the spirit books to the UTEP page.  Onward to victory orange and blue! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElpasoHead (talk • contribs) 21:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Nice buddy. I show respect for your school. There's no official document that says that UT Austin is UT and UT Arlington is UTA. HOWEVER, GOOGLE UT AND GOOGLE UTA. SEE WHAT YOU FIND. Visser001 00:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This is strange, I don't see how I'm showing any disrespect. You want your school to be called something, and that's not the official name of your school and you're getting mad cause I'm referring to your school as UTA?  It's an acronym for the name of your school.  I've found plenty of people who refer to your school with that acronym, plenty of schools use acronyms.  Now I'm not saying that this acronym is official, I'm just saving myself from typing the full name. ElpasoHead 03:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You may not see it as disrespectful, but I suppose it's a matter of culture. By the way, UT is a shorter acronym than UTA. You see nothing wrong with that. Fine. And you're right; there is no University of Texas anymore. I invite you read more about the history of the UT System. You'll see what happened to the University of Texas. Visser001 05:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * But there is no such thing as UT, so UTA is correct. UTS would work for the system.

There is such a thing as UT. UTA isn't correct. Just because you're to stubborn to admit doesn't mean anything. Get off your high horse. Visser001 17:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Listen, because your school has nicknames, that doesn't mean everybody knows them or chooses to use them. It is your own stubbornness if you fail to realize this.  UTA makes sense.  ElpasoHead 17:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * rolls eyes* Why are you two arguing about this here anyways? The University of Texas at Austin uses the logo that says only UT, and is always written as UT, not UTA. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Tennessee. UTA just makes sense.  ElpasoHead 23:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * University of Tennessee is UTK. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 23:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Wirbelwind. Visser001 20:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Elpasohead, don't know if you're still around, but I wanna make sure you know there's no hard feelings. I admire your conviction and I think more Miners should be as proud of their institution as you are. I think UTEP has great potential and it's true that UTEP's time is now. Visser001 17:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course I'm still around. I didn't mean anything against the university of texas at austin.  Just trying to make these pages as reflective to the beauty we have on campus.  See ya.ElpasoHead 23:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear from you. You're right ElpasoHead, UTEP is unique and it needs to be capitalized on. I'll admit that I interpreted alot of your rhetoric to be anti-UT Austin. That was my bad. I'd like to keep in touch with you. I'll give you my email address if you agree. Visser001 02:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please please please please take this to your user talk pages. --Wirbelwind ヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 03:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

See the reference added to "The Eyes of Texas Lyrics" It links you to the UTEP Student Alumni Assoc. Page under Traditions, School Songs. It's there folks, get over it and the whole trying to disprove the Eyes of Texas crap.

For the record: Texas Fight came before Miners Fight. It was written by Walter S. Hunnicut in 1928. It was not brought to the El Paso area until the 1930's. UTEP's current version of Miners Fight is more akin to the original version of Texas Fight, while UT's version has been updated over the years, and is played much faster than it used to be. The Eyes of Texas is indeed officially the school's alma mater; however it should be noted that it has not been played by any UTEP band in some time. I marched with the UTEP marching band for four years, and am familiar with the repertoire of school songs. Why not get in contact with Dr. Curtis Tredway with the music department? The UTEP Fight Song and Miners Fight are officially adopted school songs, with The Shadows on the Mountains being the Marching Miners alma mater. -aquahell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.27.115 (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

1966 TWC basketball team.
TWC's basketball team was not "all black". In the 1966 NCAA final championship game, the starting five were all black, the entire team was not all black.

Bud McNeely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.190.250 (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Diana Natalicio - Presidency
Please correct the right margin of this page where it indicates that Dr. Natalicio has served as president since 1984. Her official >appointment by the UT System Board of Regents began in February, 1988...I corrected this year within the content but am unable to correct the summary located to the right of the article where the Seal and the logo are located. Thanks for your help____pdmartinez-UTEP

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