Talk:University of Virginia secret societies/Archive 1

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the more well known of the secret societies? Eh?

There is one more

--- Anyone care to put some sources on this page? I am calling foul on some of the societies listed here, such as the "Nougat Society." Tjarrett 02:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

--- I changed the line from better-known to known because there are secret societies that people don't know about. If they are listed in the article then they are known. This list needs to be expanded because it contains extremely low amounts of information. Acidskater (talk) 19:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Acidskater: This is Wikipedia, not a Borgesian encyclopedia of the unknowable. WP:NOT#DIR and WP:IINFO apply here, I think. Also, please note that this is a list article; if there are further (verifiable, sourced) details available about any of the secret societies on this list, then it may be worthwhile adding them to the society's individual article page or starting a new article page. Tjarrett (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Inclusions and deletions
The P.U.M.P.K.I.N.s and 21 Society were deleted in a previous purge of the list; thanks to whoever re-added. I dug up sufficient citations on both to merit inclusion. Alas, the same can't be said for the Daughters of Liberty and Sons of Liberty. I've been digging a while and can't find a UVA connection, so they're out. Tjarrett (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sons of Liberty just surfaced with a notable citation for a bunch of juvenile pranks, so they're back on the list.Tjarrett (talk) 13:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Page rebuild
The page has been transformed from a list into an article with a list. The intent is to present context for the evolution of secret societies at the University, and to provide more information for some of the smaller societies that may not merit their own articles.

The model is based on the structure of Collegiate secret societies in North America, and the intent is to cut down on the amount of drive-by additions of dubious secret societies by raising the perceived quality of the article.

Since this is now less of a list than a regular article, I will also be changing the class of the article from list and would request review of the quality at this stage. Tjarrett (talk) 18:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 05:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Removed list items
Per the discussion above, I removed the recent entry for the Hourglass Society because it fails WP:NOTE and was unsourced. Tjarrett (talk) 06:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And again. Tjarrett (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And again. This time I put a note on the article itself to indicate the criteria. Tjarrett (talk) 13:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed A.N.G.E.L.S. society because it fails WP:NOTE. Tjarrett (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And again, along with the "Lucky Society." Tjarrett (talk) 01:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Rose Celebration
I reverted the addition of "Rose Celebration" because, as far as I know, it miserably fails WP:Note. I don't plan to use the Cavalier Daily as an exclusive source, but if your secret society has so little an effect on UVA that not even the student newspaper writes about it, it's definitely not notable. Tjarrett (talk) 12:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

For the benefit of those who keep adding "Rose Celebration": without a citation or at a minimum a brief post here as to why it's notable enough, it will get removed per the guidelines above. Societies added to this page must be citable (meaning they have had enough impact on the outside world to generate some level of mention in a semireliable source) and notable, which for these purposes boils down to the same thing. Secret societies at UVA are a little different than in other parts of the world: while their membership may be secret, they generally seek to make some impact on the life of the University and therefore can generally muster enough importance to be notable. Without that, I don't think they belong in Wikipedia. I'm willing to entertain other criteria for inclusion, should someone wish to advance them here.Tjarrett (talk) 03:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Society of the Ghosts of Color
Removed "Society of the Ghosts of Color": I am sympathetic to the thought of a "secret society of color" at UVA, but there were no sources provided and no hits for the society in Google or at the CD. Tjarrett (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As an experiment, after the third time the society was re-added (with identical text! from a completely different IP!) I let it stand with a fact tag, but no citations were forthcoming. Hereafter contributions about the society that don't come with citations will be reverted in accordance with the standing policy. Tjarrett (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The Order and Thursdays
The Order: removed due to no citations. Thursdays: at risk since only a citation with a dead link. -Tjarrett (talk) 15:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

July 2016 cleanup
First, reminder that any content added to this page should be supported by a reliable source.

Removed:
 * Team Mystic Society: no citation.
 * The SABLE Society: no citation.
 * Flying Quills: not supported by citation.
 * Six Column: only citation is to a CD column that speculates they are a hoax. No other hits on Google.
 * Troubadour Society: Content repeats uncited information that was on a speedily deleted page, no other citation provided.

Strengthened citations:
 * The Order: Citation was to the society's own Tumblr page. Added link to a news article that referenced the society.
 * Claw and Dagger: old source no longer present and not archived. Found a new reference.
 * Society of the Dawn: Replaced one link with a direct link to the article

Rewrote description:
 * Egala: removed puffery in description, added balancing view

-Tjarrett (talk) 14:17, 11 July 2016 (UTC)