Talk:University of Warmia and Mazury in Olsztyn

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Molobo and Space Cadet
your claims about Allenstein, "Polish" Olsztyn and removal of Prussian German references. I have a request:

Request for Molobo and Space Cadet to look at records Of Allenstein (Polish Olsztyn)  Check this complete webpage, by clicking on filmed church records for each town (about a dozen) and notice their actual factual names and the church records of vital statistics of inhabitants.

The (filmed) church records do not go as far back as Copernicus. They only started after the Reformation, mostly in the 1600s, some places end of 1500's. The earliest records you find from Allenstein Landkreis and towns are from 1628, 1676, 1681 until 1900's. The one from the town now called Lamkowo goes from 1628 - 1947/48, same town, same churchbooks- then new country

Now after you go through each one of the church records, please do post your results here. Thank you MfG Jan 25 2008


 * State your point, please.Space Cadet (talk) 00:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I looked at a couple, can you tell me what I'm supposed to be looking for and what's the purpose of this? Space Cadet (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The purpose? Molobos and your removal of Allenstein, replacing it with Olsztyn

Records of people of city of ALLENSTEIN, Olsztyn AFTER 1945

Allenstein Kirchenbücher -Church Book- Records of Inhabitants 1616-1945/49

Following are records of the church books (about 100), filmed by LDS, with Vital Statistics of Inhabitants of Allenstein from 1613-1947/49

Evangelics: 8 film rolls Kirchenbuecher church books Vital Statistics Birth Marriage Death 1779-1944 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote ALLENSTEIN/Ostpreussen now Olsztyn Poland

Evangelics: 3 film rolls church books Vital Statistics 1869-1938 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote Allenstein (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 9 film rolls church books Vital Statistics 1882-1948 Allenstein (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 1 film roll church books Vital Statistics 1925-1945 Taufen, Heiraten,Tote Allenstein Military (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 4- film rolls church books/ Vital Statistics 1800s Taufen, Heiraten, Tote         ALT-WARTENBURG-KR.ALLENSTEIN now Barczewko (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 16-films rolls church books/ Vital Statistics from 1613-1953 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote          WARTENBURG KR.ALLENSTEIN now Barczewo (Olsztyn)

Evangelics: 3- film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1791-1944  Taufen Heiraten Tote            WARTENBURG KR.ALLENSTEIN now Barczewo (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 2-film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1871-1944 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote         GROSS BARTELSDORG KR. ALLENSTEIN now Bartolty Wielkie (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 4 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1820-1954 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote GROSS BERTUNG KR. ALLENSTEIN now Bartag (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 4 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1916-1932 Taufen, Heiraten,Tote BRAUNSWALDE KR. ALLENSTEIN now Braswald (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 3 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1681- 1809 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote WUTTRIENEN KR ALLENSTEIN now Butryny (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 2 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1847-1946 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote         DIWITTEN KR. ALLENSTEIN now Dywity (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 3 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1676-1947 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote   DIETRICHSWALDE KR. ALLENSTEIN now Gietrzwald (Olsztyn)

Evangelics: 2 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1683-1944 Taufen, Heiraten Tote     Gross Thierbach  (Pr.Holland) now  Gradki (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 2 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1894-1948 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote     GRIESLIENEN KR>ALLENSTEIN now Gryzliny (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 3 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1871-1944 Taufen,Heiraten,Tote       GOETTKENDORF KR ALLENSTEIN now Gutkowo (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 1 film roll church books/Vital Statistics 1716-1754 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote     GROSS KLEEBERG KR. ALLENSTEIN now Klebark Wielki (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 7 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1628-1948 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote GROSS LEMKENDORF KR. ALLENSTEIN now Lamkowo (Olsztyn)

Evangelics: 1 film roll church books/Vital Statistics 1856- 1944 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote NEU BARTELSDORF KR> ALLENSTEIN now Nowa Wies (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 5 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1684-1949 Taufen, Heiraten,Tote    NEU KOCKENDORF KR ALLENSTEIN now Nowyn Kawkowie (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 5 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1683-1944 Taufen,Heiraten,Tote    GROSS PURDEN KR. ALLENSTEIN now Purda (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 5 film rolls church books/Vital Statistics 1698-1945 Taufen,Heiraten,Tote     GROSS RAMSAU KR. ALLENSTEIN now Ramsowo (Olsztyn)

Catholics: 3 film rolls church books/ Vital Statistics 1659-1948 Taufen,Heiraten,Tote     ALT SCHOENEBERG KR. ALLENSTEIN now Wrzesina (Olsztyn) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.64.78 (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I still don't see your point, sorry, you're gonna have to spell it out for me. Space Cadet (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We refer Olsztyn as Allenstein only when it belonged to the Order, Prussia or Germany. Space Cadet (talk) 23:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not replace anything, only removed "Allenstein" form one sentence. As it was the sentence was suggesting that for 600 years of history the city was known ONLY as Allenstein. That's nonsense. Sorry. Space Cadet (talk) 23:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

A saying comes to mind for someone who has problems comprehending the big picture all at once, (loose translation): "sometimes the dollar coin trickles in one penny at a time"''

This might help you: The university website bases University of Warmia and Mazury in Olsztyn on the inclusion of the 450 years old theological facility at todays Olsztyn Warmia Masuria (until 1945 Allenstein Warmia).

Above are listed the theological records at Allenstein incl.county towns of Allenstein, from 1613-1947/49. The 1999 'founding' of the university is based on 450 years Warmia theological education. MfG 30 Jan 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.64.78 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 31 January 2008


 * The name "Olsztyn" was never used in any language except Polish before 1945. No official documents, even issued in Royal Prussia used "Olsztyn". Schwartz und Weiss (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Read on Wikipedia's Original Research policy.--Molobo (talk) 17:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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