Talk:University of Windsor

Any other wikipedians go to the UofW?
I'm thinking this page probably needs some expansion. I'll get on it eventually, but feel free to help! CriminalSaint 01:43, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm an alumnus (B.Comm, '80) so I've added the U to my watchlist. While I'm here - under Famous People there's somebody by the name of 'John Nehmetallah' listed, and I can't find much of anything about such a person.  I'm inclined to delete his name.  PKT 14:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like Mikerussell took care of Mr. Nehmetallah for us! PKT 12:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

History just copied from website?
I think the entire History section is just taken from the University's own webpage. Probably should be paraphrased. I added two photos I took while visiting the campus recently too. --Mikerussell 04:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

ad-copy material
Who wrote the first paragraph of the reputation section? The bias is terrible. How should we fix this? (Currently a Windsor student) -- unsigned comment was posted at 23:39, 7 March 2007 by anonymous user at 24.57.16.53
 * You go in and fix it, which I just did. PKT 14:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the above poster was also referring to all ad-copy intro, which had nothing to do with the school's reputation. I removed it entirely. 24.57.1.51

pro-Windsor?
This whole page seems to be quite pro-Windsor, and although I'm sure we are all proud of our university, let's be a little levelheaded here. The bias seeps through. -- unsigned comment was posted at 16:56, 2007 March 16 by anonymous user at 72.38.232.164
 * This is true. The article appears very biased. More contact information such as phone number, postal code etc. should also be added. 72.39.54.224 (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition, Tuition approximations etc. may prove useful.72.39.54.224 (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

In addition, all the pictures seem to be Photoshopped with a dramatically increased Brightness and the Hue/Saturation cranked up. I've been on campus daily for six years and seen nothing like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.232.27 (talk) 06:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Try looking around on a sunny day.  PK T (alk)  15:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Endowment
The first addition needs to be the endowment. Not listing it at all is far worse than listing a modest sum. Windsor's bane has been its inability to cope with the truth of its state of affairs. If it could do this well, it could flourish 'to greater heights' more easily, as it were haha.


 * Somebody has recently changed the endowment number from $57M to $211M. $57M has a reference to a report that's a couple of years old, but no evidence has been provided to support $211M so I have reverted it (twice).  Can anybody find a more recent reference so that we can update the endowment number with support?   PK  T (alk)  17:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Reputation
This whole section sounds apologetic and defending of the university rather than presenting the facts. There is no mention of the Maclean's rating. Except for the mention on the Gourman Report, the section is merely an explanation on what rankings are and how to interpret them. Myself being an alumnus I must say that this is clearly in violation of NPOV. SWik78 (talk) 14:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the Reputation section from this article. It served no useful purpose in explaining the reputation of the University of Windsor and cited only one report (Gourman) of its ranking which happens to be one that is generally not accepted as accurate. SWik78 (talk) 17:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Verifiability (WP:V)
''The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed. Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies.''

Could we try to find reliable sources to back up unreferenced material in this article?

Collegestandard (talk) 17:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Residence Life - Peeping Tom Incident
For some time now there has been a war of edits adding and removing a section under Residence Life relating to a November 2009 through January 2010 string of peeping tom incidents. It was reported by CBC, "A" Channel and the Windsor star that on three occassions a "peeping tom" spied on female residents of Electa Hall (once in each of Nov. '09, Dec. '09 and Jan. '10). Residence Services never informed the residents of the previous incidents and, following the third incident, students went to the media complaining that they were not informed and thus not protected after the first and second incident. University President Alan Wildeman had to step in and personally took control of the situation and ordered an offical report into the incident which is referenced in the edit. While this may not be a flattering event for Residence Service, it is nonetheless worthy of being a part of the Residence Life section. An event that angered students, created a media frenzy, involved the President of the University and led to a damaging report against both Residence Services and Campus Community Police is a noteworthy event. I think it needs to stop being edited out which is clearly being done to remove a negative event from the University's wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.31.127 (talk) 07:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relatively short-term events like this generally aren't included in articles because Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. A peeping tom incident won't be remembered by most people in a few years' time. Also it would help if the text was proofread; who are the Campus COmminity Police (sic)?   PK  T (alk)  14:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would have to disagree that this is more news and a one off event. What this was, in fact and largely reported and confirmed in the President's report, was a department deliberately covering up three sexual based offences in one of its residence halls.  In one of the television interviews Acting Provost Dr. McCrone went as far as suggesting that students were told of the peeping tom events and signs were posted - this was found to be a complete fabrication.  Its duration of three months is also immensely symbolic as is the handling of the event by the students.  When students, through teh grapevine so to speak, finally discovered that there was not one, not two, but three incidents that they were never made aware of they not only requested an explanation from department officials, but they put together their own media campaign involving all local media sources.  Section does need some cleaning up, but its content is a far more significant and real event than allowing the section to be used more like an advertisement found in one of the residence services guides for the university of windsor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.31.127 (talk) 20:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I believe that the incident is newsworthy but not significant in an encyclopedic world. There are many incidences at Residences all over the world. Reviewing other articles of Universities/Colleges would reveal that incidences or news articles are generally not included in the article. The person that keeps posting the information should contact the University directly in order to seek more information and include the information in a news blog. This section also lacks a NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.207.210.60 (talk) 15:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Research and Reputation
I think it would be appropriate to add the university's core research interests in the opening paragraph. There should also be a new section called 'Research' that could go into some detail on the stated research goals of the university (http://www.uwindsor.ca/vp-research/). As for a reputation section, I believe a listing of the schools ranking from, for example, Macleans is unnecessary, as Windsor and other universities in Canada have challenged the methodology of these ranking, which is also particularly unnecessary in a country with a publicly funded university system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.53.227 (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If anyone was interested in establishing a reputation section, you can use Canadian university rankings. FYI, it ranks as #7 for comprehensive universities by Maclean's in 2011. -- Natural  R X 22:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Addition of Campus Media section
I believe more needs to be added in regards to the rich variety of campus Media outlets. Maybe an overview of CJAM and campus newspapers such as The Issue and the rivalry between The Lance and the Student Movement.

Kbtownsend (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

2013 Logo Change
A user removed the old U of W logo today and has had his/her edit reverted twice (once by me), but I can now confirm that there is a new logo for the University. There was blurb about it in the alumni newsletter that I received this afternoon.  PK T (alk)  21:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Campus Section
Hello,

The campus section is in need of expansion and is outdated. UWindsor has recently undergone a series of campus expansions establishing satellite campuses. Also the student pub in the basement of CAW Student centre has not been in operation for years. It is being renovated and into a new book store For example: http://www1.uwindsor.ca/downtown/ ACanadianToker (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Date of establishment / Former names
and - if the current state of the article is acceptable; great. Please stop flicking back and forth in a slow-moving edit war, because it is not acceptable. If you want to continue debating how to best show U of W's origins, please do it here.  PK T (alk)  00:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you please help solve the origins of the University of Windsor? The history suggests UW was created by the BOG of Assumption.

"A petition was made to the Province of Ontario for the creation of a non-denominational University of Windsor by the board of governors and regents of Assumption University and the board of directors of Essex College.[13] The University of Windsor came into existence through its incorporation under an Act of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario on December 19, 1962. The transition from an historic Roman Catholic university to a non-denominational provincial university was an unprecedented development"

Leventio disagrees about the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitchell443 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not a wizard in such matters - I've asked Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board for advice.  PK T (alk)  01:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

University of Windsor's date of establishment and former name
Look I'd rather not get in an edit war, and rather if we discussed it here (as opposed to edit summaries and broken chat threads in talk pages. In saying that, my point is that the University of Windsor never bore the name Assumption College since it was established in December 1962 (the institution was incorporated on that year as University of Windsor), and it is improper to place that in the former names parameter. In saying that, the university does trace its origins, and has a shared history with Assumption College/University; which was why I added a note to note said historic lineage. However, as they are technically NOT the same institution (made clear by provincial legislation, regardless that the impetus of the legislation being Assumption's BoG, its provincial legislation makes it clear they are separate), the original point stands that use of the "former name" parameter is completely improper for this situation (especially when Assumption College still exists as a federated institution).

This is the case with all other "new" universities with historic lineages to older institutions (see all of University of Paris descendants, McMaster University, whose origins may be traced to Woodstock College, though the date of establishment used is the date it was incorporated as McMaster). Similarily we do not trace the origins of a larger institution to its oldest component (see University of Guelph and the Ontario Agriculture College). With regards to UofT, UofT was incorporated as King`s College (University College is a federated institution established later).

This is reflected in the university`s own retelling of its history, from your source it makes clear the federated relations, on December 19, 1962, the University of Windsor was incorporated by the Ontario Legislature, accepting Assumption University in Federation. And this is further stated on the webpage that links its governing legislation. 01:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. My point is that the University of Windsor was created by Assumption University, which previously was Assumption College. To suggest that it was entirely separate would be nonsensical. This is why they can trace their history back to 1857. The University of Windsor was an amalgamation of colleges that wanted a single institution to confer degrees etc., which is why they created UW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitchell443 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree it is completely nonsensical to ignore the historical lineage, which was why I added a notetag to address its historical lineage in the established parameter. And in saying that, I fail to see how would be worse than using the former name parameter (which is just incorrect in a technical level, and not how that parameter was intended to be applied).


 * The former names parameter is intended to be used for former names of the existing institution (UW). The name Assumption University has only been used to refer to the federated institution since UW establishment, and not for the LARGER university. The University of Windsor itself never used the name Assumption College in any capacity as an alternative name for the institution, although it does traces its lineage to the history of Assumption University (though again, they legally remain as separate institutions, per provincial legislation... the legislation itself has UW absorb the non-denominational component of Assumption, known as Essex; and the remaining portions of Assumption remained a separate but federated institution of the new UW). At best, having that up in the former name parameter is an anachronism, and at its worst, it can lead people to conflate the article to Assumption University.


 * Also just a heads up, but if you want to sign your comments just put four tildes at the end of your comment ( ~ ) Leventio (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I posted an excerpt below that should help clarify. My point is that Assumption College then University became UW. UW and Assumption are inherently linked more than you have suggested. It seems that they simply changed their name. However, Assumption University still exists but in a theological capacity rather than as an entire university organization as it once was. I see your point about UW being created separately, but Assumption University created UW to take on the non-denominational capacity while leaving itself as an autonomous institution for theological studies. I think the confusion lies in attempting to discern the objective. Yes UW was formed to be separate, but it was also formed to take over existing Assumption university duties. UW still brands itself as founded in 1857, clothing, merchandise, etc., yet acknowledges the start of the official UW in 1963.

Here is the excerpt.

The University of Windsor in WINDSOR, Ont, was founded in 1963. The university began as Assumption College, founded in 1857 by Reverend Pierre Point (pastor of Assumption Parish) to provide a liberal education. In 1858 it received its charter. It was directed by various Catholic religious orders until 1919, and its curriculum consisted of courses primarily designed to prepare students for theological seminaries. It was affiliated with London's Western University (UNIVERSITY OF WESTERN ONTARIO) from 1919 until 1953. In 1956 it became Assumption University, and affiliated with the non-denominational Essex College which provided courses in science, mathematics, physics, geology, nursing, and business administration. Holy Names College for women, which had moved to the campus in 1950, merged with Assumption University in 1962.

"Also in 1962, Assumption University became the University of Windsor and was incorporated by the province." In 1963 and 1964 affiliation agreements were made with Holy Redeemer College, Canterbury College (Anglican) and Iona College (United Church). https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/university-of-windsor Mitchell443 (talk) 04:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Again I'm not denying the historical connection/lineage (hence the notetag I placed in the est. parameter), in saying that I'm simply editing what is the legal reality, in that the newly incorporated uni absorbed the non-denominational component of Assumption and Essex while the remaining administrative structure and denominational component of Assumption remained a separate but federated inst. part of the new UW per the University Act).


 * Reading over our conversation though, I don't think we actually disagree on the facts of the matter (we both seem to acknowledge the 1857 historical origin, and the 1962 date of incorporation), but rather how we present said content (you favouring the former names parameter, me favouring a notetag in the established date parameter). If I am reading this situation correctly, and formatting of content is the crux of the debate, we should wait for another editors to see what format they'd favour (using the former name parameter, or a notetag in the established parameter).


 * In saying that though, perhaps we can come up with an alternate proposal/compromise? What if we change the date of establishment to September 1857 but add a notetag addressing the fact that UW was not legally incorporated until later? If we do that, it would actually allow for the former names parameter to appear not as anachronistic (as opposed to right now, having former names from the 19th century for an institution we have listed as established in 1962), and provides further clarity for the infobox. Leventio (talk) 05:43, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the date of establishment change. The alternative proposal would be a good idea if no one else intervenes on this matter. We could change it for now and see what happens. Mitchell443 (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've adjusted the article to the alternate. Leventio (talk) 19:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal - University of Windsor Students' Alliance
I propose merging University of Windsor Students' Alliance into University of Windsor. I think the content in University of Windsor Students' Alliance can easily be explained in the context of University of Windsor, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in University of Windsor. Additionally, other undergraduate student associations with minimal content, such as Laurentian's Students' General Association, University of Waterloo Student Association, and Wilfrid Laurier University Students' Union are included on their university's pages. If this association ends up garnering enough encyclopedic content, we can revisit creating a standalone page. RoyalObserver (talk) 10:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge these organizations just aren't important enough in reality to be their own articles. That they exist, and have a student body and maybe paper, is about the most encyclopaedic info that can be said about the majority of them. Canterbury Tail talk 15:49, 13 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge We have no independent sources showing this group's notability. In fact, as is the article has no sources that even mention this group. Two refs are dead and the three remaining links are university links that so not actually mention the students' union. Meters (talk) 17:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)