Talk:Univox Hi-Flier

Phase 3
Humbuckers were introduced on Hi-Fliers sometime before 1976. Jerry picker 15:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * right, but i was looking at the univox.org page when writing it. that was the best info i could find. --liam 22:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem! I am simply pointing out that the knowledge base is incomplete. We do the best we can with what we have. In this case, I had a Phase 3 Hi-Flier that I bought in 1972-73 and traded in 74-75, and it had the honey-plastic humbuckers. Hopefully, someone will come along who has actual advertizing brochures, bills of sale, etc. who will clarify. In the mean time, we all continue to comb the available data for what is there. History and historical documentation is never really complete. Jerry picker 22:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * this is a great article, but unfortunately has no dates other than the initial opening and ending of univox. if you know where a good picture with a white background of the hi-flier happens to be it would be a great addition to the article. there are some good ones of the eastwood hi flier, but that's unfortunately a different guitar (and i also happen to own one). --liam 02:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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Anyone heard of JAY HAYES of HAITI? Are they 'notable'? Decampos (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Does either one deserve a Wikipedia article? If not, then no. You can make the case he belongs on the "Users" list if you offer something in evidence.


 * Looking at this list, there's likely a few names that could be dropped, as there's MUCH difference between "prefers a Hi-Flier" to "played one at a jam when he was 15." I've heard Hendrix played one once, which seems far-fetched. But I left Chris Summerlin alone after he mentioned his Hi-Flier love a couple dozen times in one interview. Weeb Dingle (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I re-deleted the "JAY HAYES of HAITI" addition. Choices are simple: either write an article for the individual, or write an article for the band. I have owned a Hi-Flier since 1974, and have played in many bands over the years (with a few moderately famous names), but I am certainly NOT notable.

Strictly speaking, ANY name included on such a list should point to some published credible proof that the person actually played (per their own statement or that of an observer) the Hi-Flier. Thus far, I have verified only Cobain and Summerlin. Weeb Dingle (talk) 06:21, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I re-RE-deleted the "JAY HAYES of HAITI" claim.


 * I will put it into small words: "NO ARTICLE? NO NOTABLE!"


 * User 81.130.204.214 has a simple choice --
 * leave it alone, or
 * create a credible Wikipedia article to support the fanboy claim, or
 * risk sanctions from persistence
 * Weeb Dingle (talk) 02:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * In like manner, I will continue to blank Paul Raimi of The Kill Raimi's. To the fanboy who keeps trying to cram this in: dude, I am giving you plenty of opportunity to either launch an article about the band, or launch an article about the person. What is that, six times now? The ONLY reason you have EVER appeared here is to make that unsubstantiated claim, & have only made three other WP edits in five years. Please move along. Weeb Dingle (talk) 21:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

rough edges
No mention at all of the basses.

It had a very similar appearance to the Mosrite Ventures guitar, though was somewhat different needs MUCH explanation!

And the serial numbers run from largest-to-smallest over many years has a high WTF factor as well.

The claim of Models that are absolutely identical to the Hi-Flier in every way is overreach, and at least needs to be substantiated. I am certain that the Phase Three has a thin neck with a very distinctive "shallow U" cross-section, and have seen no evidence that modern clones retain this. As well, the original body is so thin that the wood at the bottom of the pickup rout-outs is less than 1/8", so any guitar with a Strat-style vibrato bridge (like the Aria) must therefore have a thicker, heavier body AND tonal characteristics entirely different from a Univox.

And some effort should be made to separate the modern clones from the Matsumoku variants. Weeb Dingle (talk) 22:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

the inevitable Notables list
For the purposes of inclusion in a Wikipedia "notable users" listing, the criteria are simple, being dictated by the term "notable users" itself: Lacking substantiation, any such claim is dubious, and vulnerable to deletion. Lacking an article, any such claim is at best original research — for which refer to No original research or more pointedly What Wikipedia is not. Weeb Dingle (talk) 02:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) the purported user (or an associated entity to which they belong, such as a musical act or a company) must have a Wikipedia article, AND
 * 2) that article must provide an explicit and externally substantiated claim of usage

things to add
Only now does it occur to me that there ought to be an explicit description of the guitar. For instance, the "German carve" around the top (stolen from Mosrite, of course) is very distinctive.

As well is the "reverse" body shape, with the longer horn toward the floor. The old story is that Semie Moseley simply traced a face-down Stratocaster, but I've never found that totally credible.

Sites FFI: The first is MUCH more credible, IMO. Weeb Dingle (talk) 07:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Vintage Univox
 * Reverb.com article