Talk:Unleash the Beast Series

Acronyms
Hello, I made that edit on the acronym in a big hurry the other day. You were right; we don't include articles (the) in an acronym. So (UBS) is right. I don't think are many or perhaps not any uses of this acronym yet. But I am about to use it in an article, so wanted to be sure it's right. And like I said before, we use (BLC) for the Bud Light Cup Series article, rather than (BLCS) because on the www.pbrnow.com (BLC) was established and used frequently. The www.pbrnow.com web site has been saved in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine web site if you ever want to use it for checking things out or finding sources for the older days of the PBR. It's at http://web.archive.org/. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:20, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Premiership Tour
The former names of the PBR premier series (Bud Light Cup, Built Ford Tough Series) need to be merged with Unleash the Beast. PBR recognises all as the "premier series" on their Web site. A simple change in sponsor is not a new tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:a000:ee47:7c00:6233:4bff:fe08:f41c (talk • contribs)


 * Ok, I see you are like a dog with a bone here regarding this issue. I am a professional technical writer. Which means I wrote user documentation on using software. And we did version control of that software. So perhaps I know a little bit about handling old documentation when new documentation comes along. It's funny how when a new version of software gets released, the old software doesn't just disappear.


 * So the points about this issue are:
 * There are still users out there using the old versions. So my point is that there are still Wikipedia articles out there, lots of them, that are referring to the older tours. Not to mention the many articles that are yet to be written which refer to bulls and bull riders who competed in the times of these older tours. If I were to write an article on, say, J.W. Hart, well he didn't bull ride during the Monster Energy sponsorship. People would be confused if there was no information that told them how the tour worked in his day. A link to the Unleash the Beast Series that simply mentions the BFTS but nothing else would not cut it.
 * Currently, there are over 150 links to the BFTS article and quite a lot of information in that article that is specific only to the BFTS sponsorship period. The same is true for the Bud Light Tour Series.
 * Also, it's becoming really annoying that it keeps being said that the Bud Light Cup was just an elite series tour and needs to be merged. Please again, tell me how it was elite when it was the first series and was the only series when the PBR first began. What was it elite to? Some nonexistent beginner tour? There were several years it was the only tour and during that period, there was a time when the championship round was sponsored by Ford Trucks too. It's all backed up by sources, something you mostly never provide. The Internet Archive Wayback Machine actually has copies of the www.pbrnow.com website which is defunct that I took my information from as well as several versions of PBR Media Guides. It would be more helpful if you would look at the sources before editing because you are changing information that I accurately took from sources.
 * Another point is that we do not erase history as would be done "merging" tours. See Spectrum (arena). The article has tracked the name changes of this arena through 3 name changes. The editors of that article realize that if someone came to the article looking for a previous name, if only the current name were kept, they would leave, thinking this arena was not the one they were looking for. In addition, why should this article be kept at all, in accordance with your thinking? The stadium no longer exists, so they should delete the article too, right? What happens in real life, should happen in Wikipedia too, right? No, we are an encyclopedia that tracks history. That's the point of an encyclopedia. You want the articles on the PBR to reflect what happens in real life. But that is not our purpose. Our purpose is to capture knowledge and that includes history. See Hy-Vee Arena another name change that recently took place. This happens all the time. It's the same arena with a different name, which kind of the same point you are making. You seem to think that Wikipedia articles should behave like media, press, feature articles, the PBR website, etc. But we are not, we are an encyclopedia and that is very different.
 * premiership tour - Where does this word come from? I can't find it used on PBR site or articles. No source, no use. I found Premier Series though in PBR articles and the Media Guide and I have source.
 * I'm going to claim a little "in the trenches" knowledge too because I actually write and expand articles that refer to tours. I finished an article on the current number 1 bull in the PBR a couple months ago, Bruiser and he is active still. So I needed to be able to write and refer to both the BFTS and the UTBS in his article as he has competed in both. I had lots of sources for both tours that I had to use in his article. And he is still competing so the article is still ongoing. This weekend or next, Bruiser will buck again in the UTBS. One article on UTBS does not cut it. Articles written during the days the elite tour was named the BFTS are littered with this name and information. And I'm now working on an article for Pearl Harbor and these same issues will apply. I also recently created an article on J.W. Harris which was all BFTS. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:34, 11 August 2018 (UTC) dawnleelynn(talk) 17:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Another point as to your comment: "PBR recognises all as the "premier series" on their Web site." I understand that the PBR recognizes all as the "premier series" on the web site." Yes, they use the term Premier Series on their web site sometimes, and they also use it in a few of their feature/press releases. But they also use the term "Unleash the Beast" too in almost all of the feature and press releases when they are about the events. And there 100s maybe even of 1000s of press releases and feature articles that use the terms Bud Light Cup and Built Ford Tough Series too. And there are Media Guides that also mention all of these same terms, especially when they need to talk about their history. You are not thinking about the PBR as a whole from its beginning to the current time. And that's something an encyclopedia does. It does not try to "merge its history together." Or, to no longer support the terminology for the bulls and bull riders that competed in those time frames and under those tour names. Those things mean something, they have their own history and rules and deserve to be remembered and documented in the encyclopedia. As more bulls and bull riders have their articles added from those different time periods, it will become even more important. Number of articles from the BLC and BFTS tours currently are more than around 50 I would say. Number from Unleash the Beast? One. Anyway, we are not the PBR. We do not do things just because any of our sources does it that way. They are only a source to backup our content. dawnleelynn(talk) 00:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should brush up on your understanding of citing sources. We do not write according to sources. All of our content should be original coming from ourselves. The PBR is only one source that backs up bull riding. It probably gets too much priority for PBR articles. Some source should come from third party articles as well. We should not be basing what we write and how we write on any of our sources regardless. It definitely should not dictate how an article is structured or what terms we use...or cause us to lose the history of an article. dawnleelynn(talk) 00:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * p.s. I am trying to get the wording right about the tour name changing due to sponsorship as you say though, and it's always been the same elite tour. The tour did not change; it's the Premier Series all along, starting with the moment the BLC became an elite tour through now. Your point about that has been received and accepted. dawnleelynn(talk) 17:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * It's also shortsighted to follow a section of the PBR website as the Wikipedia article terminology for the organization. There are plenty of third-party sources, which are actually required to support an article besides just the primary source. And furthermore, one should also think about the reader and what they might be reading besides just the organization's website. Some readers of a Wikipedia article may never read the organization's website. They may be reading news articles, ticket sites, press releases, feature articles and many other types of Internet media, including social media. And those may be the portals through which they to the Wikipedia article. The other source is the television viewer, who may never see any Internet media when coming to the Wikipedia article. The writer of the Wikipedia article needs to consider his or her audience as more important than what the source's special terminology might be. Especially if that terminology could be confusing to the reader. I doubt very much that the average viewer of bull riding is familiar with terms like Premiership Tour or Premier Series, actually. Truthfully, as an avid fan myself, I never see anything when watching the television except "Unleash the Beast." I don't see the other two terms. Back when it was the BFTS, that was I saw then too. This also goes for social media, which I also read through. So, here are some examples of third-party sites that illustrate this point:


 * https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2018/08/02/to-appreciate-the-value-of-digital-networks-look-to-the-skies/#6238664715d5 (Ford and Monster both mentioned as sponsors in this still vitally important news article about the PBR written in 2016.)
 * https://www.axs.com/the-world-s-top-riders-and-bucking-bulls-will-go-head-to-head-at-pbr-s-125376
 * https://cowboylifestylenetwork.com/2017-pbr-built-ford-tough-series-event-calendar-and-coverage/
 * http://406mtsports.com/rodeo/scoreboard-professional-bull-riders-built-ford-tough-series/article_ba8aa39f-431f-5d6e-91f8-7ee5dcd9c0ad.html
 * http://www.t-mobilearena.com/events/detail/pbr-world-finals-2018
 * https://www.pbrtulsa.net/
 * http://wranglernetwork.com/news/pbr-announces-2016-built-ford-tough-series-schedule/

You get the idea...dawnleelynn(talk) 03:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, don't forget the really important reason why no renaming or merging should take place. You already had your chance! You pushed for a page move on the Built Ford Tough Series article. See. You reverted edits and so on until I tried to contact an admin for help. However, the admin (named Only) decided that all of us needed to be blocked from editing the page for a week. They also for some unfathomable reason, decide to iniate your page move on the talk page even though you had no sources. However, Only did not count on the fact that there were several rodeo editors in the Wikiprojects that monitored that article. The consensus came down on the side of not merging the articles at around 5-0. So you see, consensus has already decided that there will not be a merging of these. Be a good sport and respect the vote. dawnleelynn(talk) 21:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Acronyms for the PBS tours
Can you speak to the edit that was just made on this article changing the acronym for one. (See edit and edit summary.) And second, saying the Ford tour was BFT. My understanding is that acronyms never used the English language articles of speech which are three: namely a, an, and the. Also, it's BFTS for the Ford tour which I have been using for two years. <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 18:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)