Talk:Unofficial mottos of Poland

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At last! Thanks, Przepla. It's a pity that Poles know so little of their national symbols. Even for most of my educated colleagues the anthem has three stanzas (huge success, an average Pole knows one)... Hopefully this page will end the problem with Poland's Infobox once and for all. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 23:56, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Joke
"Another phrase commonly shown on military banners is 'Za wolność Waszą i Naszą ("Well, actually, you forgot Poland!"). It dates back to the times when Polish soldiers, exiled from the partitioned Poland, fought in various independence movements all over the world. It is still often invoked in official speeches, including those of US President George W. Bush regarding Poland's help in the war against Saddam Hussain regime."

The parts in bold are obviously pranks. I still didn't want to change it, at least not till my friends see this wikijoke.

Homeland or Fatherland?
Does anyone else agree that a better translation of "Ojczyzna" is "Fatherland" and not "Homeland"?
 * Simple translating Ojczyzna to Fatherland would be calquish. Polish Ojczyzna have different conotations that English Fatherland, thus Homeland is better translation. Ojczyzna does not have nationalistic associations which belongs to Fatherland. Przepla 21:23, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How about "Country" (as used by the British and Americans)? logologist 02:51, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * IMO any will do, as long as we prepare a footnote explaining that the term might have some special meaning lost in translation. Though I agree with Logologist that country seems the most neutral here (yet far from being an exact equivalent). Halibutt 02:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

unofficial guy from Poland... hmm... how to say... Word "Ojczyzna" is translated on Fatherland. "Ojczyzna" means: Country of our father(s)... so i think this is the best one to set... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.229.141.231 (talk) 16:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the others, the word "Fatherland" is probably the worst translation of "Ojczyzna" proposed here. While the word "father" may be the indirect root for the word, the connotations of the English and Polish words are somewhat different. Several people I have discussed this with agree that "Ojczyzna" has a more nurturing connotation than does "Fatherland", further "Ojczyzna" is grammatically feminine and not masculine in Polish. I would argue "Motherland" would be a much better translation, and at the very least "Homeland" should be used as a more neutral alternative.

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Isn't "national mottos of Poland" redundant? Perhaps the article should be moved to simply Unofficial mottos of Poland? Appleseed 02:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Concur. The briefer, the better.  logologist 02:51, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Translation
In polish first person is allowed to be in front like I and Joe while in english it should be Joe and I. So shoudn't Za wolność Waszą i Naszą be translated as For Yours and Our freedom? --Uzytkownik (talk) 05:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)