Talk:Unsimulated sex/Archive 3

"The Opening of Misty Beethoven"
@Drbogdan Why is this back on the list? What does being "considered" mainstream in terms of "storyline" and "sets" have to do with what kind of theatres the film played in on its original release? That's the criteria used here above all, defined at the top of the article: was it shown anywhere but highly specialized theatres? It doesn't matter what "award winning author Toni Bentley" (what award? why is that relevant in a list article?) thought of it, although her calling it a porn film in that quote actually argues against its inclusion here, for the same reason. I happen to agree it's a well made film in many ways but if there's no evidence that something people refer to as a porn film had anything but a limited release in (basically) porno theatres, then it was never mainstream based on our criteria. You could not have gone to see this film just anywhere. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 06:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments - re "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" (1976) film listing (see copy below) in the main article - apparently, there was an R-rated (more erotic/less explicit) version of "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" (1976) film distributed to mainstream theaters some years ago - at the time, I recall seeing ads in the mainstream media for the film at the local (mainstream) drive-in theater in western Pennsylvania - a casual Google search [keywords => "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" "R-rated"] gave at least one related result => "'The Opening of Misty Beethoven" was passed with an R-rating in September 1983 and again in August 1985." - there may be other relevant search results - seems that, besides the "Misty" film, other related erotic films by Radley Metzger, like "Score" (1974) and "The Image" (1975), were also distributed theatrically as R-rated   and more explicit versions, around the same time as well - in any case - hope this helps in some way - Thanks again for your comments - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)



"The Opening of Misty Beethoven" (1976) listing in the "Unsimulated sex" article:

Copied from the the main article (09:53, 22 November 2018 version)

"American erotic film, based on the play Pygmalion by George Bernard Shaw (and its derivative, My Fair Lady), and directed by Radley Metzger, is regarded as attaining a mainstream level in storyline and sets, and is considered, by award-winning author Toni Bentley, the "crown jewel" of the Golden Age of Porn. "

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2019
I would like to make / propose edits to add films of Maike Brochhaus (German): - Häppchenweise (2012) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5931824/ - Schnick Schnack Schnuck (2015) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5165468/ (both in German language) N00b42 (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. IMDb is not considered a reliable source unfortunately. please provide a reliable source here and re-open the request by changing "|answered=yes" to "|answered=no". Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 21:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request
Current page has duplicate Enter the Void movies in the table. I suggest remove 1 of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinhtq115 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC) Vinhtq115 (talk) 01:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

DAU. Natasha
Pls add DAU. Natasha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:1B20:9:F011:0:0:0:A05D (talk) 16:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Production issues suggestions
Missing from this article is any discussion of actor union rules with regards to unsimulated scenes, or if the MeToo movement has had an impact. I recall one of the stars of Tell Me You Love Me, an HBO series with sex scenes so realistically depicted that its actors have spent the last 13 or so years continually denying they were unsimulated, said outright that the main actors union forbade its members from engaging in such scenes, yet the version of the union guidelines published a few years ago made no such prohibition, simply stating that there were certain rules such as agreeing to the level content before filming, the right to say no, no on-set photography without permission, unused footage to be destroyed, etc. All this info can be found and sourced online easily enough. 70.73.90.119 (talk) 20:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

"Explicit sex" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Explicit sex. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed,Rosguill talk 20:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

"Lust, Caution?"
The US release has an 18 USC 2257 notice, a law whose writing states:

"(a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digital image, digitally- or computer-manipulated image of an actual human being, picture, or other matter which— (1) contains one or more visual depictions made after November 1, 1990 of actual sexually explicit conduct; and  (2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or transportation in interstate or foreign commerce; shall create and maintain individually identifiable records pertaining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction.

(1) the term “actual sexually explicit conduct” means actual but not simulated conduct as defined in clauses (i) through (v) of section 2256(2)(A) of this title;"

The notice after the credits:

''18 U.S.C § 2257 records custodian – Joyce Hsieh, custodian of records, Mr. Yee Productions LLC, C/O Schreck Rose Dapello Adams & Hurwitz LLP, 1790 Broadway, New York, NY 10019. Date of publication: September 28, 2007.

The performers in this motion picture who are depicted engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and the characters that they portray therein, were all over 18 years of age at the time of photography. The content is inappropriate for minors and appropriate care should be taken to ensure that it is not viewed by anyone under 18 years of age. The records required by 18 U.S.C § 2257 and associated regulations with respect to the motion picture on which this notice appears are kept by the custodian of the records at the office of the manufacturer above.''

can 47.41.25.129 (talk) 17:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

SAG-AFTRA
I'd like to see some information added here about SAG-AFTRA's rules and policies about sex in films. Or if it already exists in another article, a link should be added. Jim Dixon 55104 (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Queen of Hearts (2019)
You should remove Queen of Hearts from the list, because Trine Dyrholm said "prosthetics that would be used were made" 13:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.156.48.5 (talk)

Cruising
If I remember reading correctly, doesn't Cruising feature unsimulated sex? If so, shouldn't it be listed here? Prokrabsgod2 (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We'd need a source for that. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 19:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song
Doesn't this film's page mention that it has unsimulated sex in a few areas? If so, shouldn't it be on this list? Prokrabsgod2 (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2021
Add film "Gourmet (2020)" directed by Nikoline Vicic Rasmussen. A short film accompanying the song by Nikoline. Papasnewguineapig (talk) 00:39, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite a few of her videos contain actual sex. But that’s nothing all that unusual in less-publicly distributed music videos. If we were to list music videos it would deserve its own page. There are so many dating back to the 70s.
 * I know black widow filmed an orgy. Rumours of the Coven black mass having been filmed. By the 80s it was well known and by the 90s quite common.
 * Rap, black metal, and pornogrind all make regular use of not just nudity but actual sex.
 * Bands with verified hardcore sex videos number in the hundreds. From Scooter to Genitorturers. Cradle of Filth, Emperor, Rock Bitch, Pornocaust, Pig, Fister, Black Irish, Thorr/Tor. The list is very long. Lostinlodos (talk) 19:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

"it was rare to see hardcore scenes in mainstream cinema"
Uh, it's still rare. Who wrote that stupid shit? 174.6.114.132 (talk) 04:25, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Ana, mon amour (2017)
You should remove Ana, mon amour from the list, because cinematographer Andrei Butica said that they used prosthesis in the sex scene ("We used latex to seal the actual body parts, and we used prosthesis"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.156.48.5 (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. 87.116.160.141 (talk) 11:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Y tu mamá también
Do I remember right that in Y tu mamá también the boys masturbate while lying on diving boards? —Tamfang (talk) 04:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The To Do List
As it turns out, a masturbation scene in this film was for real: https://afterellen.com/aubrey-plaza-had-to-masturbate-on-camera-in-the-to-do-list/

Seems like it'd be a good candidate for the list. 2601:2C6:8282:490:492A:12B8:54BA:B26D (talk) 01:53, 4 May 2023 (UTC)