Talk:Unsimulated sex/Archive A

Confirmation needed
According to the forum at Rotten Tomatoes, a 1997 release called The Life of Jesus had an unsimulated sex scene in it, however when I try to Google the title you can imagine I get quite a different result. If anyone can confirm this release contained this content, please add it to the list. 68.145.252.62 04:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Softcore
Do softcore movies really count in this list? "The Key to Sex" is a softcore movie.
 * Although technically a softcore film, as indicated in this article the one scene involving Maria Ford is widely believed to have not been simulated, so, yes, if a softcore movie happens to cross the line then it counts. Play Time was another so-called softcore film with unsimulated elements, and the queen of all softcore films, the original Emmanuelle, still had a scene showing insertion of a cigarette. The key is the films should be listed under the appropriate category, which is why we have confirmed, rumored, and other sublists. 24.71.223.140 18:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

References tag
I moved the "Article does not cite references" tag to the Rumors section, as the films are their own primary sources, so therefore no further references are needed. The rumors could probably be cited if anyone can find magazine articles, etc. referring to the rumors. 23skidoo 15:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Rutger Hauer in Spetters
Just to correct a recent edit summary by an anonymous editor, Rutger Hauer did indeed act in the film Spetters. He's listed in the credits of the film and also in the IMDb. Whether he participated in the scene in question is another matter. 23skidoo 02:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Cite needed removals
Please note the removals made with this edit -- and replace the content as reliable sources are located. (jarbarf) 23:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I really don't know how to make a proper citation about a film for films are primary sources. My edit about Walerian Borowczyk film Les Héroïnes du mal is deleted. Even Le Diable au corps with Maruschka Detmers is deleted. OK, man, go delete them all! Behemoth 19:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't think above contributor should have removed all of those films
Most (if not all) of those films that were listed and consequently removed by jarbarf were 100% correct but simply didn't have citations. By removing them, you've greatly shortened the list and therefore (ironically) made the article LESS accurate. It's hard to find citations for these types of things. I really think you should have left it as is without the citations, but being a Wiki newbie, I'm reluctant to revert it because I don't know if what you did is 'standard' practice. 151.202.75.237 08:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You are right! It is nonserious to ask for secondary citations when the movies themselves are primal sources. -84.62.220.253 23:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

If you really require sources other than the movie itself, try websites like the BBFC website (UK film censors) or the websites for other country's film censor offices.Liquidcow 23:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I would suggest that some listings merely need to be edited to reflect what CAN be verified from watching the film, without stating an opinion on how it was accomplished - ie: "the film APPEARS to show unsimulated sexual activity / penetration". Of course, if you can actually SEE a penis disappearing into a vagina, it doesn't much matter if it's a real penis or a prosthetic. Something is going in there, so it qualifies as unsimulated sexual activity - at least until film makers start using CGI for such scenes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.114.72 (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Romance
Maybe I'm just not looking carefully enough, but the French movie Romance contains a prominent scene of unsimulated sex. It's been a few years since I watched it so there may be more than I remember. Is there a reason it's not there?Liquidcow 23:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

A Girls Guide To 21st Century Sex
Is this series really uncensored? The copy I have has blurred censoring on penetration, except for when the camera is inside the vagina or attached to the penis. Libido 20:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Tell Me You Love Me
Upcoming HBO series Tell Me You Love Me (begins Sept 9) reportedly has extremely graphic sex scenes, which some have claimed to be unsimulated. Anyone have any definite information on this? 90.205.92.125 01:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently it's all simulated, using props and camera work. 90.205.92.110 03:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

TV shows
I added a couple more examples of sexually oriented TV shows (including Cathouse for HBO) that show actual sex. Isn't there a UK series called The Sex Inspectors or the Love Inspectors that shows unsimulated sex, albeit with heat-sensitive cameras? 68.146.41.232 (talk) 18:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Lust, Caution
This is a film which many people have suggested contains unsimulated sex. I have read a few interviews with Ang Lee where, from what he says, that conclusion seems inescapable. Does anyone have anything definitive on this? The film (at least in the US) carries a disclaimer during its end credits to the effect that the participants in the explicit sex scenes were over 18. Isn't it a legal requirement in the US for films with unsimulated sexual content (such as pornographic films) to carry such a disclaimer? 90.205.92.112 (talk) 00:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Principles of Lust
There is an orgy scene in a 2003 movie called The Principles of Lust (directed by Penny Woolcock) which has some pretty unambiguous non-simulated oral sex in it. Unfortunately I can't find out bugger-all about it other than what I've just said. (It is possible that this is a modern-day hardcore insert; the rest of the movie is softcore despite a number of places where it would be natural to go more explicit if that were what the director wanted). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.238.85 (talk) 03:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Cruising
Cruising (film) has single frames of anal penetration inserted in at least one scene. It is unseeable at normal speed but is visible in a frame-by-frame viewing. Would this qualify the film for this list? Otto4711 (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Another question
I thought I remembered a version of this list that included unsimulated masturbation. Was that removed for some reason? Or should such films be included in the "other" section with I Am Curious (Yellow)? Otto4711 (talk) 16:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

9 songs insulated penetration
The page says 9 Songs used "insulated penetration". I cannot find any reference to what this is. Everywhere else says either "actual penetration" or "unsimulated penetration". Was this perhaps someone's misuse of spell check? I don't think "insulated penetration" is a thing... 24.119.151.187 (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC) Rubber! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermoron (talk • contribs) 21:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

This article needs vetting
This article is in bad need of revision and vetting (some of which I may do myself if I have time). The main list violates the criteria of indicating films showing penetration -- fondling and masturbation doesn't belong, Also there are scenes cited that are not "confirmed", such as the scene in The Lover, which may in fact constitute a WP:BLP violation, which is why, I believe, the "rumored sexual activity" section was deleted. Also, I feel the title of this article is inaccurate: it should be "List of mainstream films with unsimulated sexual activity". 68.146.70.50 (talk) 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

>>>>>>>>>>It should be "List of mainstream films with unsimulated sexual activity" I do agree !--90.46.32.182 (talk) 16:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Lucía y el sexo
It's not rumoured that the sex scenes were shot by body doubles, it's actually credited on ending credits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.73.159.213 (talk) 17:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

El Topo???
Please watch this movie and kindly remove it from the list. There is NO sex scene in it whatsoever... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.31.86.224 (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)