Talk:Until Dawn/Archive 1

Plot expansion
is it me or the plot seems to be incomplete?. I mean, i saw a video of the game's full story and there is a consistent plot involving the main characters despite the way in wich you have to play the game. Please complete the plot with detail — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.166.154.228 (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Considering that specific details of the plot are only discovered depending on each individual's play through, only a general summary is necessary here. Valenka (talk) 03:23, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, but i have seen the new plot. looks good. Just one minor thing. It's made clear, at least in the video i saw, that Josh survives the ordeal in every end possible. You should change the post credits scene line a little bit. And about the good ending, i don't think that all eight of the characters survive in it. I mean, asuming that for the "shocking revelation" the character involved in it, wich is Josh, has to survive but that means that Chris, at the moment of choosing who will live between Ashley and josh, has to choose Josh killing (as the saw is real) Ashley. There goes the good ending with only six or seven characters surviving. And sam convinces the polcie to investigate the mines in both the good and neutral endings  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.166.154.228 (talk) 19:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

SPOILER: Josh does NOT survive in every ending. There is actually a way for him to be killed. With that being said, the GOOD ending has all EIGHT characters survive, because in the end (if things are done correctly), Josh will still be alive, even though he's turned into a Wendigo. There's a way for Josh to actually be killed, and that's by Hannah (in Wendigo form) crushing his head until it explodes. Valenka (talk) 21:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Why was any information of Dr.hill's sessions with the pshycopath/josh, as well as the constant in-game-choices-related changes of his session room, removed? Please,some one add it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter (talk • contribs) 06:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Why did you remove the imformation about the different endings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.166.154.228 (talk) 05:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

The plot is actually wrong: the game offers various plots based on who the player makes live or die. there are some common points, but the story does not evolve necessarily as it is currently written 93.34.226.150 (talk) 22:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

The plot is the same throughout. Each character's individual story is what can change. 173.79.57.167 (talk) 10:49, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Why was Dr.hill removed from the plot? he is important for the game, as both he and his consultory room change acording to the choices made during the game. Please add it back a.s.a.p — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter (talk • contribs) 06:24, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Adding Narrative & Character Details
We should refrain from adding any information regarding the plot narrative that isn't obtained via general progress. Considering that Until Dawn is driven by player choice, not every piece of information is readily available for everyone; one individual's play through may not grant them access to specific information. We can leave specific details to the game's unofficial Wikia page, fan-pages, etc. It's not pertinent to its Wikipedia page. Additionally, character details like birthdays probably should not be included since there is no valid source. Birthdays and ages for the characters are not provided in the game directly. Valenka (talk) 03:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Date format
I've standardised the dates to one format DMY, because that was what was in the infobox. Have a debate amongst yourselves over the various factors: first major edit, UK developer, story location etc. and decide the format you want. Just keep it the same throughout the article. - X201 (talk) 13:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Notice template
Is there a reason for this to be in the article? I mean, other games have this implemented in their game as well, right? So what's the point of it? GamerPro64 15:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there is. Unlike other games that have implemented the same system, this one has something called Butterfly Effect(a sort of major-choice-quick-save-game) wich apllies in every major choice in the game and allows you to replay the game from that especific choice on untill the end of the game (eg: when matt has to decide whether to reach and save emilly or to jump to safety himself). So i think its worth to be mentioned.

Three "true" endings?
I saw a comment on Youtube that spoiled a major plot point, so I decided to go ahead and find out what would happen at the end of the game given certain choices (because the criminal who spoiled the game for me must have realized that I can't resist waiting for a spoiled event to occur). So, with the venting, I come to my point: in the second-to-last sentence of the first paragraph within the Gameplay section, it says that the claim by the developers that the game has "hundreds of endings" is an exaggeration, as there are only three "true" endings. But I don't think that this is the case, and it's not clear what a "true" ending is. The only variations in the ending (with the exceptions of Josh's additional post-credits scene and the few lines spoken by the pilots at the end) are the inclusion of the survivors of a given playthrough in police interviews, and there isn't any "greater" variation in the results. I did see an endings guide which showed three different endings, with the "best" ending resulting in all eight characters surviving, the "worst" ending resulting in all of them dying, and a "normal" ending resulting in some of them surviving, but there's no definitive definition for what constitutes a normal ending and no "greater" variation between the three endings shown—it's just about who lives, and who dies. I don't to edit the section yet, for fear of providing false, relatively early information on an article that will inevitably see a significant amount of pageviews, but it seems like a legitimate detail, albeit a fairly minor one. Encyclopedia Lu (talk) 23:45, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We usually go with what reliable sources say. In this case, the developer do claim that it has hundreds of endings and variations. Feel free to change that if you have a reliable source to support your point. AdrianGamer (talk) 07:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm wasn't challenging the developer's claim—it was the second part of that sentence (that asserted that the developer's claim was an exaggeration) which I challenged the validity of. It seems that that was edited out today, so my concern is not longer relevant. Encyclopedia Lu (talk) 18:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

All of the variations have to do with what happens to each of the characters in the game. The idea that the plot itself changes is a misunderstanding of what the developers said pre-release. It's led to a lot of misconceptions on the part of reviewers and disappointment on the part of players who read those reviews. 173.79.57.167 (talk) 10:52, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Dates
The prologue takes place in 2013, and the main game one year later. The plot summary states that the events occur a year later than they did.

50.159.24.24 (talk) 01:43, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Gameplay - restart needed to alter choices
The text says: "The only way to change the player's choice is to restart the game from the beginning or continue to the end and start a new game." This is actually false. You can replay each chapter after the first playthrough. Not sure whether this should be removed, or whether it should be just clarified that the review cited at the end of this sentence is wrong. Ianbrettcooper (talk) 11:10, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Grammar fix edit request
Grammatical error: Please alter the description of Dr. Alan Hill on the Cast section. It is definitely 'whose' (possessive) not who's (contraction): "A psychiatrist who's scenes break up the game into chapters." Balgram (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Changed the wording under Plot from 'offline' to 'cut to black' for a more accurate depiction of the scene. (Aizadnasir (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC))