Talk:Uplift Universe/Archive 1

Not a trilogy
The novels, Sundiver, Startide Rising, and The Uplift War are not really a trilogy in any meaningful sense. They were called "the Uplift trilogy" because at one time they were the only three books set in this background. But they all have stand-alone plots and seperate characters and settings. MK2 05:36, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually, you got it backwards. The three novels you mention, for the exact reasons you mention, are the very definition of a trilogy. "Uplift Storm" however, is a single novel artificially broken into three volumes. Much like "The Lord of the Rings" which J.R.R. Tolkien himself argued was not a true trilogy. Even so, "Uplift Storm", as well as "The Lord of the Rings", are so regularly referred to as trilogies that there's really no use in arguing about it. Besides, the definition of "trilogy" is broad enough to include them, Tolkien's objections notwithstanding. ProgHead777 11:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the Uplift War is the trilogy.Cbdorsett 13:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More Uplift novels?
Is there any info if Brin is going to publish more Uplift novels? Last one is '98... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:36, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think he said he wasn't planning on it in the afterword to the final book of uplift storm.

Actually, the last six words in the afterword to Heaven's Reach (the final book in the Uplift Storm trilogy) are "Hang on. There's more to come." In fact, a short story and a novella taking place in the Uplift Universe can be found on Brin's site. To my knowledge, Brin has given no indication that he's finished with the Uplift Universe. ProgHead777 09:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm, that short story has been incorporated into _Existence_ which is just released. I am not sure if that makes it an Uplift novel or not.  (Yeah, yeah, I should get to the end of the book before I start trying to find verification that this may be a new Uplift novel... though the timeline is clearly off) JenIsBlue (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a new novel coming. Some of it can be seen in GURPS Uplift, under the preliminary name Jijo Ascendant. BTW, the text says that Temptations happen _after_ Heaven's Reach, this should be changed to _at the same time as_: at the end of Heaven's Reach we see a huge invasion fleet coming to Jijo, and this is not mentioned in Temptations. Albmont 00:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Levels of space
Anyone recall what the various levels of space were? I'm specifically trying to remember which letter was populated by the meme organisms.


 * There are 5: A, B, C, D and E. E-Space is the one of the meme things. Albmont 00:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Fictional planets category
I have now twice removed the Category:Fictional planets tag from this article because I feel it is superfluous, unnecessary, and confusing to add this to a category not specifically created for such an article, especially when it is already in a more appropriate related category, Category:Fictional universes. I base my opinion on the following reasons from Categorization: I invite counterarguments. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1. Categories are mainly used to browse through similar articles. "Fictional universes" already handles articles about fictional universes like the Uplift Universe. "Fictional planets" collects articles about planets, not every article that talks about a fictional planet.
 * 5. An article will often be in several categories. Restraint should be used as categories become less effective the more there are on any given article. There is no compelling reason to add articles that merely include fictional planets to such a category, and it reduces the usefulness of that category to clutter it with related (but not true sibling) topics.


 * As the initial creator of this article, my intention was to describe this interesting universe as a whole. It wasn't meant to describe each particular planet. If people are interested in the Uplift planets, it's my opinion that other separate articles should be created. One could do the same for the many species as well. Dyl 00:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. I hadn't noticed the lack of Uplift Universe planet articles to include in Category:Fictional planets. That does complicate things a bit. The purpose of categories is to group articles with a specific related theme. Typically one doesn't put an article in a category merely because it mentions things that are in that theme. This is one of a number of aspects of MediaWiki Categories that leave a reason for "List of" articles to exist. A List of fictional planets, which could include both planets with and planets without articles (the latter of which would probably including a link to an article that discussed them, like this one). Categories can only include existing articles. I was going to suggest creating such a list, but I just noticed that that article name is already a redirect to Planets in science fiction, which seems to suit the desire to list groups of planets by fictional universe, including link to each universe's section on planets. In fact, I see that it already includes a line for Uplift Universe. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * My suggestion is for somebody to create a List of Uplift Universe planets (at a minimum) and have Planets in science fiction point to that. Dyl 15:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Books section and spoilers
It is my belief that the "Books" section should be flagged with a spoiler notification. As someone who hasn't yet read the books and who was just looking for an overview of the books in this universe, I was most unpleasantly surprised by the amount of plot given away. Alternatively, the section should be renamed to "Plot" and/or split. Great Cthulhu 15:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I renamed the sections, see what you think. By the way, please add new sections to the bottom of talk pages. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This is fine. Thanks for the rework. Great Cthulhu 23:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Hadn't noticed that adding sections at the bottom seems to be the norm. Will try to remember that.

I've never edited on Wikipedia, but I felt that I should drop in and mention something. The Plot section of the article claims that "The Uplift Storm" trilogy is about Streaker fleeing. The first book has NOTHING to do with Streaker, other than a few hints here and there and, at the end, we learn the 'The Stranger' is a crew member of Streaker. The first book, and to my understanding, the rest of the trilogoy, are supposed to deal with planet Jijo and her inhabitants. I don't want to make an edit, because I haven't read the other books and am not familiar enough with Wikipedia to feel comfortable making changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.226.178 (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Once you've read the other books involved, feel free to edit a bit. Someone else will clean things up.  For what it's worth, I think the description in the article is fair.DavidHobby (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Alvin Hph-wayuo with this page
Abductive--

You seem to have picked this page to merge to pretty much at random; I believe that merging Alvin to Jijo or to the Uplift Storm books makes more sense. And it seems silly to discuss the merger on this page, instead of at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alvin_Hph-wayuo. We already have a similar discussion there. If we're the only ones discussing it, let's move the discussion there.

Unless someone here wants to chime in? DavidHobby (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Uplift Storm? Abductive  (reasoning) 17:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, to one of the books in the Uplift Storm trilogy. You've said that standard practice is to put everything on the page for the first book, which would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brightness_Reef DavidHobby (talk) 02:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, Brightness Reef. Abductive  (reasoning) 03:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Streaker_(David_Brin) with this page
Abductive--

I see you just proposed this merge, the same day that your proposal to have the page deleted lost. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Streaker_(David_Brin)#Streaker_.28David_Brin.29

I humbly suggest that we give this issue a rest, and let other editors chime in. DavidHobby (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Earth Clan with this page
I don't see why it should be merged. The books are popular enough that they deserve a few separate entries, and "Earth Clan" doesn't need disambiguation. DavidHobby (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Popularity with secondary sources is the only kind of popularity that counts. Abductive  (reasoning) 14:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reasoning for why it is necessary to be merged? Eoseth (talk) 06:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge Jophur to this article
At the recent AfD discussion for the Jophur article it was suggested that it be merged into this article. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC) ✅ All information from Jophur has been merged into this article. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:39, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - as proposer. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm O.K. with this, under the condition that the content actually gets merged. Looking at this article, it's not clear where it would go.  But it's certainly not fair to just delete all the content of Jophur, under the guise of merging it to another page.  (I've seen that trick attempted before.)DavidHobby (talk) 12:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

WP: ELNO
I've restored the external link to the wiki "http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Species_Wiki". It's been up at least 3 years, and has 5000 pages, which would make it a stable enough wiki to link to.DavidHobby (talk) 19:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello David. The wiki as a whole is not relevant to this article; the specific pages that are relevant consist largely of unverifiable research. Furthermore, the wiki lacks a substantial active editor base. Finally, I would remind you that WP:ELBURDEN, which I linked in my edit summary, requires a consensus in favour of inclusion rather than exclusion in the case of a dispute; pending such an active consensus, I've re-removed the link. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nikkimaria-- O.K., I'll wait for some other editor of this page to weigh in.DavidHobby (talk) 13:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Transcendent
The mention of the Transcendent races currently links to Transcendentalism, which is about the 19th-century American religious and philosophical movement of that name "that advocates that there is an ideal spiritual state that 'transcends' the physical and empirical". That sure isn't right for this, but I'm not familiar enough with the series to decide which of the twelve(!) other articles listed under Transcendence, not counting the sections on Mathematics and Media, is the most appropriate to link to, if any. --Thnidu (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2015 (UTC)