Talk:Upload/Archive 1

links
I think that some links to popular upload sites would be in order. The purpose, of course, is not to advertise, but to help people find websites that they can upload files to. I think that such links do not belong in an encyclopaedia, however creating an entry called 'list of upload services' (or 'comparison') would, in my opinion, be beneficial to many people.

Here are two services I recommend:

[link removed] - allows files up to 5GB (at the moment, larger in the future), files stored indefinitely if they are accessed once a month.

[link removed] - allows files up to 100MB, for one month.

I disagree. While these sites offer a valid service, they fall more under a category of "Online Storage", and don't really specifically demonstrate uploading or downloading. However, I should note that what might qualify for some mention is the different protocols that are used to make "uploading" and "downloading" possible across the internet, since that is where we hear the term most. (I personally prefer the word "transfer" when it comes to moving files to and from my MP3 player, for example.) HTTP generally is used for downloads only, with minimal uploaded data sent in the requests to the server. FTP is used primarily for both Uploading and Downloading files. Streaming protocols (which I believe use HTTP or FTP and do not have their own protocol) are used primarily for downloading, although the method differs in that the client ideally does not actually "save" the data.

However, such things are only valid as examples, and I don't feel like I know how to word them in such a way within the article without explaining them.--76.104.136.141 09:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)Nicholas Flynt


 * Yes, in addition to the above comment, choosing any subset of "upload site" links would be arbitrary and would turn Wikipedia into a battleground for linkspam. Listing them all is completely unrelated to the purpose of Wikipedia; Wikipedia is not a link directory we're used to saying. -- intgr [talk] 19:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

On Servers and Clients
The internet architecture which makes uploading and downloading possible needs to be noted as well. On the internet, there are public computers (known as "servers" or "host machines") and then there are private computers (known as "client" machines). This is by design. Most internet service providers will assign a typical internet user with a dynamic IP address, and hide their machine behind a gateway, making their actual IP address invisible (to some extent) and making it impossible for them to accept incoming connections on the network. Public machines either have a static IP or a dynamic IP and a dynamic DNS pointing to them. They are connected to the network directly, and can thus accept incoming connections.

In that light, a "download" means you connect to a server (client asks host, if you will) and request a file to download. An "upload" is just the reverse, you connect to a server and request permission to send a file. The only difference in the two is that the server end always has the final say on the file transfer permissions. The client must connect to the server for a transfer to happen, and the direction of the transfer determines whether it is an "upload" or a "download". Note that over private connections (in a windows network, for example), these terms do not apply. When you open a file from another computer on a private network, you are simply transferring that file to your own computer, since the traffic is allowed to go both ways. Uploading and Downloading thus, in my opinion, only exist as part of a server/client architecture.--76.104.136.141 09:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)Nicholas Flynt

For me you can't use the terms "download" or "upload" for "copying music on an MP3 player", just as you dont't "download" when you copy a file from one hard disk to an other (it doesn't matter if the hard drive is internal or external (as an mp3 player)). But on a Windows network, there are clients and servers as well. In this context, I think that download and upload are appropriate words. I would remove the section "Extensions" as it is now. zorxd (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

“official” downloads
The following is a list of “official” downloads. Mind you, it is far from complete and I welcome anyone to update this list.

I.	Any products from [link removed] II. Any products from [link removed] III. Anything from [link removed] IV. [link removed] V.	Anything from [link removed] VI. Anything from [link removed] VII. Anything from [link removed]


 * What would make them “official”? VermillionBird 23:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. Upload and download happens regularly between many many different computers on the internet. As far as I'm aware, no RFC designates any particular location more or less official than any other. Kim Bruning 08:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
I certainly hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings by rewriting the article mostly from scratch but there was too much that was just plain wrong, in addition to being confusing and... I can't seem to find the spelling of the word that means not suitable for an encyclopedia... in tone. What I've written definitely can use improvement and expansion. VermillionBird 23:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

deletion.
I don't know what to say. Somebody's deleted the article. As far as I can tell, it's the last known editor - 172.201.101.168 So, since I'm not qualified to do something as big as this, I'll just sit around and hope a real mod will restore the page from a previous version.

How to get video off a media player
Does anybody know how to get the video that is played on a media player because im planning a big big movie and i cant find video anywhere else but media players Metlover21

Firmware upgrade
When transferring data to a device (i.e. an mp3-player) in order to upgrade the firmware - would you use the term upload or download for the data transfer process? Do you upload new firmware or do you download new firmware?

- The computer uploads the firmware while the device downloads it. hurikai

Usage
The key distinction made by the article, 'local'/'remote' seems more coincidental than defining. Historically (at least in my experience going back to the early 1980s), download meant to transfer from a server or controlling machine to a client or controlled machine, and upload referred to the opposite direction. So, generally, one downloads files from the Internet and Web as one is running a web client talking to a corresponding service. One uploads photos from a digital camera to a computer. One downloads music from his or her computer to an iPod. One's web browser might upload debug and performance information to a server for use of the authors. See 'download' and 'upload' at, for example. Edurant 20:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Uploading vs Downloading
I don't know for sure but I have heard that downloading is the transfer of data from a more powerful computer to a less powerful one Ex: Server -> PC/Mac, PC/Mac -> PDA... and uploading is the reverse Ex: PDA -> PC/Mac, PC/Mac -> Server... This needs verification. The word powerful is used to represent some technical definition of what things with CPU's are greater or lesser. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gotskills22 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

Erm.. no. Lots of people use feeble, old computers to host files, and people with more powerful computers download from them. Whoever told you this is just feeding you bullshit. You also seem to differentiate between servers, PCs and Macs, which is incorrect. A PC and a Mac can both be used to 'serve' data, hence being a 'server'. Hearing how people spread misinformation like this is depressing (especially when you think about it in the context of history. Religion anyone?) *sigh*.. --MaXiMiUS 23:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

different download methods
This article needs more about different download methods. Such as "direct downloading via a direct link" v "downloading from filesharing sites such as yousendit/megaupload". I realise these sites probably shouldnt be named, but they do demonstrate the difference in download implementation. I don't know what the proper name for it is, which is why i came to this article. If i knew, i would add it myself, sorry. 123.2.117.106 01:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The overbearingly present confusion in our society about downloading and uploading (it's really not that bloody complicated, it's just sending 0's and 1's back and forth people) probably has more right to be added to this article than.. well, whatever you just said. An article about downloading doesn't need to go into detail about how certain websites make you jump through hoops before allowing you to download whatever it is you want to download.

To everyone that's still confused about uploading and downloading: Uploading is like talking. Downloading is like listening. --MaXiMiUS 00:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This article certainly needs a revamp, but there is no fundamental difference between getting a direct link to a download, or following a few links to get it; the concept of uploading/downloading is much more abstract than that, it doesn't necessarily involve a web browser or a "server" per se. -- intgr #%@! 23:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Common misuse
It's common to hear people mistakenly refer to uploading as downloading. Should this be mentioned in the article?17:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)86.137.136.182 17:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Why?
I can only find the source problem, but the tags about tone and other subjects, is something that isn't present in this article. Please, remove the nonsensical tags you have placed. Oh, and it isn't a stub. I don't do this myself to avoid offending someone, but I think these tags are complete nonsense. This is a good article that needs some expansion. Period.--J.C. (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Update
I have removed the tags. I have added references. I have adapted the tone. I am watching this article. What else? --J.C. (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)