Talk:Upstate New York statehood movement

Are there any sources you can cite for this?--Pharos 18:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * My attempts to source were fruitless. Can anybody fix this, or should I nominate for deletion?--Inonit 19:43, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Buffalo Article
 * NYTimes Article
 * NYTimes Article
 * NYTimes abstract
 * []
 * Upstate’s economy is in trouble. Part of the problem is ‘made in New York.’ And more freedom might be part of the solution.

--Ctrl build 21:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * These articles refer to the underlying tension between Upstate and Downstate, but I see nothing to support the idea that anyone of consequence is actually, actively, presently advocating the secession of Upstate from New York, which is what the article purports to be about. Can you point more specifically to anything in any of these sources that advocates secession presently and seriously?  (That's a pretty selective quote you use above -- the same report also says We hestitate to raise the issue, lest we set off a pointless discussion about whether Upstate should be its own state. Secession would be impossible, and the last thing New York needs is some kind of destructive Upstate-Downstate showdown.)  I'm not saying it's not in there (I didn't read them all end-to-end), but I don't see it and I did some keyword searching that didn't uncover anything either.--Inonit 23:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * '''If there are issues, I would suggest just combining the New York City secession article with this article into an article like Secession movements of New York State. You can probably include the Staten Island movement, the east end movement of long island from sulfolk. The balkanization of central park should probably go in there to. --Ctrl build 21:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ctrl build, merge them both in a new article. --Awiseman 21:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The use of the term upstate in an article title is awkward as there's no universal definition of what exactly is upstate. As depicted on this page, it appears to be the entire state, minus NYC. I doubt many in Massena or Plattsburgh would consider all of these places to be particularly far upstate.
 * No, that's pretty much it. "Upstate" is anywhere in New York State that is not the NYC metro area.  It does not refer to being in the north, but rather to being north of New York City.  Since NYC is as far south as you can go in NYS, the vast majority of NYS is "upstate".  This term is widely understood in New York, although the exact boundary is always up for dispute.  RobLinwood 22:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)