Talk:Uran Togoo - Tulga Uul Natural Monument

What?
What exactly is this article about? A mountain? Two mountains? Three mountains? A region? A protected area? I suspect that changing the article subject to the last one would make the most sense, but I haven't quite figured it out yet... In any case, you'll have to make up your mind and include a suitable definition. --Latebird (talk) 06:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it is a protected area with several mountains, but named after only one (or two?) of them. It's located at the northern (=easier, but longer) route from UB to Khovsgol! I thought about stopping there on my upcoming MGL trip, but at the moment this is still undecided. Yaan (talk) 16:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See also older versions of Уран тогоо. Yaan (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Then it should be renamed to Uran Togoo protected area or whatever the official name happens to be, and the first sentence should explicitly state what it is about. --Latebird (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems like it's actually about the Uran-Togoo Tulga Uul. The mountain and its surroundings are a Natural Monument. "Uran Togoo", "Uran Uul", and "Togoo Uul" are probably just name variants. I'd like some further confirmation before committing to any of that, though. --Latebird (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to that older cyrillic version it should be three (or so) mountains. Yaan (talk) 10:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The cyrillic version can also be found at mn:Уран тогоо. I've asked for help there. --Latebird (talk) 15:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * These are actually several inactive volcanoes, namely Uran, Togoo, Tulga and Jalavch. The latter three are regarded as one preserved area, while the former one is regarded as a separate preserved area. Preserved Areas. It may be better to divide this article into two articles titled Uran Protected Area and Tulga, Togoo and Jalavch Protected Area.--GenuineMongol (talk) 01:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * All these 4 craters are visible in Google Map/Earth, but Uran (the Nothern one) can be located. The rest (3 craters from W to E) I don't know what is Togoo, Tulga and Jalavch. In my Автозамын Атлас also there are two separate territories of the national monuments. Gateway.mn link has small articles about rivers/lakes which can be useful in Wiki. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So what would the correct titles for articles on those two national monuments be? Do we have enough information to make them of adequate quality? --Latebird (talk) 07:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct will be the name from law? if we can find it. Very often the are common national parcs etc. with several pieces (territories), so we need official sources to decide.Here it is common National monument with the common УИХ resolution #26 Bogomolov.PL (talk) 08:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

(dedent) Again we have "Уран тогоо Тулга уул". Would Uran, Togoo, and Tulga Mountains Natural Momument be an adequate translation? I have only seen Jalavch mentioned in GMs link. Do we really have seperate parks/monuments, or was the same park just increased in size with several successive resolutions? --Latebird (talk) 21:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should just look into a travel guidebook. My guess is they would just call it Uran-Togoo (not sure about hyphen, though). Any volunteers? Yaan (talk) 12:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Michael Kohn:All information was copied to the article, next mostly erased: "Uran-Togoo Tulga Uul Natural Reserve" etc.Bogomolov.PL (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have just checked the official government source for the official name of the area and found out that the areas I mentioned were redesignated as "Uran-Togoo Tulga Uul Natural Monument". Here you'll see the list of natural reserves and monuments of Mongolia passed by the Parliament --GenuineMongol (talk) 07:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good name, so I've renamed the article and tried to fix the language a bit. Hope I interpreted the original correctly and didn't introduce too many errors that way... --Latebird (talk) 15:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

"Togoo" = "crater"
Not sure if this has been mentioned above, but "togoo" can mean "crater" in Mongolian. For that reason, I (once again) wonder if there really is a "Togoo Uul" in this Natural Monument, or if the "Togoo" in "Uran-Togoo Tulga Uul" is just a part of "Uran Togoo". Yaan (talk) 11:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)