Talk:Urban Dead

Updated the Wikipedia information
There were new updates made within the game, I've updated the current information that is in wikipedia. The changes that I've made are "With the new additions of the skills "bellow" and "scout safehouse", the highest level possible to be obtain in the game is 45". if you find some grammar mistakes within this statement then feel free to correct it.

Changed the "Just recently" to October 14 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.57.124 (talk) 21:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thought the wiki would be a good link. Hope i'm right, and it doesn't get deleted, like all my other stuff. -Jack


 * Wiki link is great :) --BoboDaHobo 20:11, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Did anyone have a look at the urbandead page that was re-directed here before that action was taken? I'd suggest that some salvage work could be done to move content from there onto this page.MLA 17:44, 7 September 2005 (UTC)


 * OMFG! Urban Dead made it into Wikipedia. I astounded. This be a great game.

Has anyone ever considered making a MUD based on Urban Dead? There would be far less bandwidth involved, and it would probably be much more versatile due to the more interactive "live" interface. I don't know anything really about constructing/running a MUD, but if anyone's interested in this, please get in touch with me, because it'd be fun to organize a group to make something like this happen. My AIM screen name is "Gay Old Hobo", and my MSN is "analdisco@hotmail.com". --Disco 03:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Urban Dead gives military people stormtrooper syndrome. Woodrow Buzard 18:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Urban Dead Survivor Diaries
I thought this might be significant enough to include as part of the UD community... dunno, though.

http://www.graham-russell.co.uk/ud/latest.php

It can't really hurt. It's not like the links section is overcrowded. I'll stick it in, though it might be better to link to the entery page at http://www.graham-russell.co.uk/ud/index.php. --Snark365 (talk) 18:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Strict political correctness enforcement
Damn, the political correctness enforcement on this site is strict. Kevan banned every IP address I ever logged in from (including public networks) simply for posting an off-color joke about the Mohammed Cartoons. It wasn't even that bad or racist, nothing O'Reilly wouldn't say.
 * AFAIK characters only get banned for cheating, maybe you were doing that as well. Banning public network IP addresses seems unlikely.
 * Judging by the amount of homophobic grafette I've seen I suspect not. Of course mostly it doesn't last long since it get painted over by other users.Geni 14:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I play alot and i've seen some really racist people on there.

User:Zerath13
 * Indeed. --Secruss (talk) 02:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

A matter of semantics
"Player-killing"? Unfortunately for those used to the term elsewhere, it doesn't have it's full connotations in Urban Dead. PKing in UD is purely survivor vs. survivor, and the term may be more related to TKing. The problem with simply using TKing is that there are groups, as well as the survivor vs zombie conflict. Does TKing necessarily refer to, say, one member of the same group killing another, or is there a third term that needs to be invented for this sort of thing?

I had a rather indepth debate with an Argentinian friend of mine on the Urban Dead Wiki, but nothing really came from it. 60.227.18.35 02:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Since there's no NPCs, PKing may not be the correct term for it, but you'll be hard pressed to change everyone's terminology. "Murder" may be a better term. Go Creedy Guerilla Raiders!--Secruss (talk) 02:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Necrotech
Would anybody present have a porblem with me adding a bit of info on it?--Labine50 06:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Graphics
Does the PC version just have colored blocks on the map, while the Mac version has graphical depictions of the blocks, ie a hospital picture for a hospital block? I've seen posts with pictures in them, but I'm on a PC and I've never seen them, so I'm wondering. Thanks. - MSTCrow 02:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Neither has the graphics by default, but there are extenstions on Firefox that make them - --iamajpeg 12:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

something to think of
i think every so often we should have a thung that says what players from the game sugy for new players to join, zed or human and which class.

like, 3 months ago it was suicide to join as humans and peopel woudl probly tell you to join zombies. it might help and i like to help and support suicide ideas for a game!--Cody6 02:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I joined as a human, and I've always worked at being human. Sometimes it just takes awhile to get to revive points.  Also, some idiots just kill any zed they see. - MSTCrow 07:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

that would be most people. i cant stay in 1 place had to evacuate ackland mall... the caiger. at giddings, goign back to joachiam, which i fled when it fell around thebig bash. at the moment its hard ot tell ewhat to do. the cneter is stil la waste land...

You live a lot longer and easier if you join a group. I reccomend the DEM personally, though i'm kinda biased considering i'm a part of the MFD.Silver seren 17:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

my recent changes
shacknews deservs as much mention as the mall tour, in shorter time then the tour, they took down caiger mall, the final haven in malton.--Cody6 01:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

No matter what they're achievements are, no player-made group deserves a mention in this article. Shacknews is just another zombie group, no matter how fast they took down a mall. Mentioning them would mean we'd have to mention News Channel 4, the DEM, and The Militant Order of Barhah. --YoungOcelot 03:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)then why mention the mall tour? they didn't change the game to the degree shacknews did...--Cody6 17:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Shacknews did not set a precedent in anything, and they certainly did not change the game, which extends beyond the walls of Caiger Mall. Mentioning something like the Many would perhaps be in order, as that was the first large group of zombies in the game that actually posed a threat to malls, not to mention something like the RRF, which had a long standing presence in the game, and, in fact, still exists. You could list off a bunch of groups in the article, if you feel they're entitled to be mentioned, but the bit about "changing the game" doesn't really fit. --daranzt 17:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * how much do you play the game? caiger mall was the human stronghold, shacknews did somethoing nobody thuaght possible, they ran down the biggest target in the game, they actuly have more fame then any other group, they just disbanded since there was little else to do after raiding the well known locations. the RRF and others are worth mentionng, but they didn't do as much as shacknews, belive me.--Cody6 17:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I realized something, the big bash should also atleast be mentioned since they did have a major affect on the game, the brought more then half the city to it's knee's and brought the zed/survivor ratio to 2:1.

There was a guild of Japanese players who were the first to beat Kel'thuzad in World of Warcraft, who was the hardest instance boss until the Burning Crusade was released. Several players were amazed by them actually being able to accomplish what other guilds couldn't. Does that mean we're going to mention them? No, it doesn't. You're exaggerating Caiger Mall falling, anyway. It brought the city to it's knees? No, it didn't. Maybe it brought the suburb Caiger Mall was in to it's knees, but the rest of Malton went on about it's business. --YoungOcelot 13:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * that didn't bring the game to it's knee's, the big bash did, by the time people made the trek to the southwest whcih was a wasteland of red dangers,
 * ok, one questin, when was this picture made? http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Image:50suburbs.jpg--Darkmagic 02:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a real screenshot from July 19th, 2006. It was one of the highest points for zombies. --Sir Sonny Corleone RRF CRF DORIS Hunt! 02:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * that seems to show what the big bash did, later, they brought the area of safety to the corners of malton, the bash did something no other group or alliance ever has.--Cody6 14:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

YoungOcelot, you are badly wrong. Cody6 is correct about the page. I agree with you Cody go ahead and edit the way you want as long as you dont vandalise. As for Ocelot remain civil or you will be reported. English User 20:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I say it'd be better if no groups were mentioned in the article. After all, there's way too many groups in the game, and lots of them have considerable achievements. For example, the original CoL established a system for hunting down PKers in the game (which shows you how the playerbase adapts to the game, seeing how there's not system for marking PKers by the game itself). The Many were the first zombie group. DARIS was also a group that, early in the history of the game, managed to pull off something unexpected by taking control of a suburb. Also, I've been playing this game since August 2005, and let me tell you that Caiger isn't everything. It's not the entire city, and the fall of Caiger does not affect everyone else in the game. --daranzt 01:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Daranz, that's exactly what I said. AS for English User, ignore him. He's a sad child who I helped in getting banned once. --YoungOcelot 08:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

i dont know what Ocelot is talking about. I was never banned. Eng 19:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Check my talk page, and the history. --YoungOcelot 19:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC) the bash did more then mall tour did so if any groups they deserve something, they do. they brought the living portion of the game to it's knee's in a short amount of time and took out most of the city. and ya, caiger did have a big impact, to poeple who cared, it was the only place never to fall to zeds until shacknews, both b4 and after the mall update, the fact is, shacknews did soemthing nobody thuaght possible, they destoryed caiger and the bash just trashed most of the game.--Cody6 21:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but you're still exaggerating. Shacknews just took down Caiger. They didn't move on to destroy every other hideout in half of Malton, they just took down the Caiger mall. Sure, people thought it was impossible, but that doesn't mean people were brought to their knees. By your logic, we should mention every time a mall is destroyed. Oh, and "just trashed most of the game."? That's just stupid, man. You're basically saying that the humans were doomed as soon as Caiger Mall fell --YoungOcelot 00:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, let's make a deal. I'll let you mention Caiger Mall as long as you don't say, "It changed the tide of the game/doomed humans" --YoungOcelot 00:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * you know whats funny is, i said THE BIG BASH NOT SHACKNEWS brought the human game to it's knee's, they desroyed the southwest and south, there approach would make many people leave, they were the focal point of the zombie power on malton.--Cody6 01:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

So? Blackmore Building pretty much demolished Ridleybank, but that didn't send all the human players there packing. --YoungOcelot 02:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Blackmore was a suburb, the bash was the highest point and had we not retaken, they had the power to turn us into nomads with no permanet safew area, the fact is, the bash deserves mention.--Cody6 03:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That's just not true. Even if the south had been overrun by zombies, they wouldn't of been able to take back the entire city. You're saying that if the Big Bash had been successful, humans would forever have no place in Urban Dead. You're exaggerating the whole thing out of proportion. --YoungOcelot 03:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * eventuly after we got are numbers back up... but still...the bash brought the game to it's knee's and could have killed the human population in almost every fortress... --Cody6 03:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

But it didn't. --YoungOcelot 05:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * thats because of the flaw's in the design of groups like the bash and the mall tour, groups designed to trash a suburb or mall in the mall tours case, and then leave and let ferals or other groups maintain the zed power there.

that was the ultimate falw in the tour groups, they grow to large and don't try to hold or keep attacked targets down, the bash though took down a large area in a short amount of time and zeds at first keep it that way, though its obiouse that the southwest by the time i first jouned was low in zed pops in places, i managed to survive in a red street corner for 3 hours without attack, then lated a week inside a closed door's building without harm.--Cody6 01:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Cody I know you are right. I have played this game enough. Ocelot, just end this now it is going knowhere. If you dont stop attacking Cody I will report for violating the good faith rule. Cody edit the way you please as long as you dont vandalize. Ocelot, since you are an ex-vandal (or maybe still one) you should be careful. Wont want to be banned, know would you? Eng 20:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I say we scrap the whole idea and not include the mention of any group in the article. In order for one to understand the significance of a group in the game, they have to be already familiar with the history, and general power arrangement within the game. A more general description of various coordination efforts on both sides of the fence would be in order, methinks. --daranzt 22:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Eng, who get a life, find a girlfriend, call your mom, and quit acting like an idiot on Wikipedia. PLEASE. Oh, and Daranz is right. Besides, if we mention one group, the others will want to be mentioned. --YoungOcelot 23:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey...sorry if I'm kind of butting in here, but I think it's OK to mention the Big Bash as long as Cody doesn't use any words like, "It changed the tide of the game" Just thought I'd share my opinion :) --Red Shotgun 23:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * aND YET IT DID, IT MADE the zeds 2:1 on humans.--Cody6 14:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but that was only for a little bit. The zeds and humies became even after a while. I don't think the Big Bash had much to do with it, actually. --Red Shotgun 21:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

yes i am sure that the fact that any suburb they went to became a red one had nothing ot do with it... they hit more places then the mall tour did, the mall tour only hit malls and the suburbs they were in, the bash was a confederate anarchy so it had some power, for a while peopel tyalked almost only about where the bash was or what it was, hell, i started out in the southwest shortly after they left.--Cody6 03:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to end this stupid argument. Cody, a lot of people are disagreeing, so it's probably best not to mention it at all. --Red Shotgun 06:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

i'm used ot fighting uphill battles, i had to on the galactic war invasion.--Cody6 17:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Red Shotgun is right. This should have been over, cause Caiger is back together within like a week. Get over it. Gloomy Sunday User:GloomySunday 01:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

But, as a diffrent caiger, plus about a week ago yagoton once again fell and its more like trying to retake a fortress of zeds then retaking a suburb, caiger was wihin a week because holding fallen targets is rather boring to a major zedgroup that is aimed at taking down the high profile things...--Cody6 20:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

All of this stuff would fit on something like a wiki about Urban Dead, but not a wiki about everything. It's too specific for general information about a game. Mystic 16:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

If your going to mention any groups in the article,put The Dead in,they wrecked the game and nearly wiped out the survivors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.16.171 (talk) 21:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?
I've noticed a very large trend of getting rid of MMORPG pages lately. I see articles getting deleted which are about WELL established games that many people are talking about and playing all over the net. It seems like somebody feels like it's time to go housecleaning, and I find it worrisome. This Article should NEVER be nominated for speedy deletion. It's too well established, lots of people have been working on it, etc. To do a speedy delete on this article is a mistake. There are very large followings of these MMORPGs, some have hundreds of thousands of players (This one has tens of thousands) to say they are not notable is a major mistake in my opinion. If someone feels the article is inappropriate, fine, let's discuss it and maybe delete it, but a speedy delete? ...and with so many MMORPG articles being speedy deleted? It makes me nervous. Matt Brennen 22:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

As of April 21, 2006 593,275 people play Urban Dead. I don't see any credible reason for deleting an article on something that has that wide a following. It would just be ridiculous.--Filippo Argenti 00:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This article is not a candidate for speedy deletion. It asserts it's notability. It's not a candidate for a serious prod because it is well-written and has sources, and it would most likely survive an AfD because those sources are what the other articles claimed to have but couldn't provide, multiple non-trivial mentions in reliable third party sources. The only way this could conceivably be nominated is out of spite. DarkSaber2k 18:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's how many accounts have been created (now up to 785,702). There are actually only 34,639 active accounts at the moment.  Still notable though. --Pdeq (talk) 08:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Ganking?
In reference to the line: "Urban Dead is not limited to survivor versus zombie combat, groups of survivors can attack other survivors, this is known as player killing or ganking.[1]"

I have never seen anyone call that act "ganking", neither in the game nor the game's wiki. It may be a term used in some games, but it is not used widely throughout UD. Any objections to removing it? --Pdeq (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No. None. I have been playing UD for a bit over a year and have been an active member of it's wiki and I've never seen that term used.--Nick90210 (talk) 09:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed since nobody has disagreed. Calling it ganking is specifically labelling the tactic as griefing, I've not played the game for a long time but surely if this was a Bad Thing human players wouldn't be able to attack each other? Someoneanother 10:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether survivor-on-survivor killing is a bad thing is debatable. The goal was simply to be consistent with the way the terms are commonly used in game.  Griefing has its own special use in UD that does not usually include PKing.  Again, PKing is not a very good name for survivors killing other survivors (as all characters are players), but that is how it is used by most people in the game. --Pdeq (talk) 04:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Players
Should there be a section or maybe under game play, about how the players completly control the game and groups that have impacted the game Coho (talk) 17:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I honestly think that might get this page to look more like a fansite than an encyclopdic entry on the subject. As with any MMORPG, player DO controll the events, so I don't think anything has to be said about it. Javascap (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Nexus War
Not really much but maybe we could add Nexus War as a footnote? its made using the same game mechanics, and the same author I think.Eyclonus (talk) 12:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is the same author, going by http://wiki.nexuswar.com/index.php/FAQ#What.27s_the_Relationship_to_Urban_Dead.3F

"There is no "official" relationship, though I believe several of the NexusWiki administrators were (or still are) also moderators on the UDWiki. I've never spoken with Kevan Davis (the creator of Urban Dead), so there's that." Seems conclusive to me. No-genius (talk) 09:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Nexus War was made by Jorm,Leader of the Militiant Order of Barhah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.16.171 (talk) 02:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nexus War was inspired on UrbanDead. It had several interface and game mechanics similatities, but the author were diffrent (Kevan created UD, Jorm created NW) and the second was mostly done from scratch using Java (iirc) while the first was done with perl (again, iirc). While the admin staff of the Urban Dead Wiki was not directly involved in the development of the game, we did got to play it in the beta stages -- as did many in the RRF, the MOB (both zombie groups) and some few others --Hagnat (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2011 (UTC)