Talk:Urmston/Archive 1

facts about The Trafford Centre
Whether The Trafford Centre is in an area that was once a part of Urmston or not doesn't alter the fact that information about The Trafford Centre ought to be in the entry for The Trafford Centre and referenced from here, not repeated here. Malleus Fatuarum


 * The Trafford Centre plays a major part of Urmston life with a large amount of Urmstonains working there and the large impact it has made on life in the town. A small precis of it is worthwhile, but referencing it from the Urmston article is also workable. (Quentin X 16:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

The Trafford Centre plays a major part of Stretford life as well. Are you suggesting that another precis of it would also be worthwhile in the Stretford article? And in every one of the articles about the other surrounding towns? It doesn't make sense to me to repeat the same facts about The Trafford Centre (its size, retailers, facilities and so on) in several different places rather than keeping them together in one place.

IMO the only valid comments to be made about The Trafford Centre in an article about Urmston are those specific to Urmston's relationship with The Trafford Centre. Like the fact that the Dumplington site on which The Trafford Centre is built was once a part of Urmston for instance. (---- Eric 17:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC))


 * I am not suggesting that it doesn't need pruning but to say that The Trafford Centre is on the outskirts of Urmston and that is it would be to the detriment of the article. Nor would I suggest keeping it out of the Stretford or Eccles articles. Moving futher afield would be a tenuous. Are you suggesting we include Sale, Altrincham and Salford. How about the coach parties that come from Clywd? (Quentin X 22:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

That's exactly my point. Details about The Trafford Centre - its size, retailers inside and so on - should be in the Trafford centre article. An article about Urmston, Stretford, Sale etc. should include The Trafford Centre in their own contexts, as a major employer, competitor to their own shopping centre, or important local resource for instance. As the Stretford article in fact already does. ---- Eric 14:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Average house prices
I think the average house price quotes are very much out of date at the moment. Unfortunately I don't have access to the current prices, I think you have to register with the website concerned to find that out, and I can't be bothered! Parrot of Doom 12:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Semi-detached prices have more than doubled from an average of £60,000 in 1998, when The Trafford Centre, a regional shopping centre, opened just to the north of Urmston (although house prices in most areas of the country have seen a similar increase) ..."


 * I've deleted this link to the Trafford Centre, on the grounds that it's ungrammatical, spurious and illogical. "Most areas of the country" don't have the Trafford Centre on their doorstep, yet house prices have risen similarly there. --Malleus Fatuarum 17:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Leather
I've removed author Stephen Leather from Notable people, as I can't find any link that he has with Urmston. The Manchester Evening News article given as a reference on his page says that he was born in Swinton and grew up in Sale and Chorlton. --Malleus Fatuarum 21:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Demographics
I'm not sure this section is adding anything very much is it? ---- Eric 22:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Seems very good now. --Malleus Fatuarum 19:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Housing
I don't find the evidence in support of Urmston being "recognised as an 'up and coming area'" to be very convincing. "(see, for example Hi-Life magazine, referenced on the Isinglass web-page http://www.isinglassrestaurant.co.uk/awardsReviews.html )". ---- Eric 13:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

"House prices in Urmston are currently seeing rises above those of the rest of Trafford. This is being exacerbated by the redevelopment of Urmston town centre, the success of the Trafford Centre and the recently announced move of the BBC into nearby Salford Quays." That part of the economy section seems to be unreferenced speculation. In fact the the graph show that the house prices have risen in line with the rest of Trafford. Would anyone object if I were to remove it? Nev1 17:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I certainly wouldn't object, but maybe the estate agent who originally wrote it might. :) --Malleus Fatuarum 19:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Nev1 13:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable people section
The only references I could find for Peter Noone and David Ward was from Urmston.net which doesn’t count as a reliable source. I was also unable to find a reference for Peter Noone. If no one else can provide reliable sources they’ll have to be removed from the ‘notable people’ section. 14:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

GA review
Hello, I'm the GA reviewer for this article. I noticed that Urmston_coat_of_arms has no fair use rationale. Please fix that. Daimanta 11:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've had a go at added a fair use rationale, but I'd appreciate it you could check it over to see if it is acceptable. Nev1 11:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's acceptable, Daimanta 12:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after taking a good look at the article I conclude that this is an article of GA value. I would like to thank Nev1 for helping me and the authors of this article for making a fine piece of work. Regards, Daimanta 22:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your review, it's very much appreciated. --Malleus Fatuarum 23:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Boundary
> Urmston comprises the local areas of Davyhulme, Flixton, Partington and Urmston,[5] with the River Mersey forming the southern boundary -  how can this be true, when the Mersey is north of Partington? Parrot of Doom 23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Geography
Is it accurate to base the geography section of this article on the Urmston area defined by Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council? Historically Partington (and all areas of Trafford to the south of the River Mersey) were part of Cheshire, Urmston was Lancashire. I've no intention of turning this into an Historic County battle (seen too many of them!) but the Urmston area would be and still is recognised as being made up of Davyhulme, Flixton and Urmston.

If the intention is to standardise all Greater Manchester articles according to current electoral ward boundaries as defined by Local Authorities then I apologise for making needless comments. However, figures quoted from the 2001 Census for Urmston include the electoral ward of Bucklow-St.Martins which actually includes the Partington area along with a small section of neighbouring Ashton-Upon-Mersey to the east. Neither of these localities would be considered historically or currently part of the Urmston area. Markem41 19:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware that any decision to standardise has been proposed for the Greater Manchester articles, each case seems to be judged on its merits. Probably most places have seen their boundaries change over the years, perhaps particularly the former boroughs like Urmston and Stretford. In fact, if you look back to the early 19th century it would probably be more accurate to say that Urmston was a part of Flixton rather than the other way round. I think all that can be done is to make it clear what definition of "Urmston" is being used when, and to recount the various boundary changes somewhere in the article. --Malleus Fatuarum 01:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the response. It's true that many boundaries have changed over time but it has never been the case that the Urmston area extended into Partington. The map of the Urmston area currently displayed no longer exists on the Trafford MBC website. The creation of 'neighbourhood forums' has grouped together the Urmston area (Davyhulme East, Davyhulme West, Flixton and Urmston wards) and created a separate forum for Partington (Bucklow-St. Martins). I think it would be accurate to use this grouping as the Urmston area. Markem41 (talk) 10:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Tim Bobbin
Contrary to what I understood until about 24 hours ago, John Collier (caricaturist) was born in Urmston, not Milnrow. He might warrent mention in the article here, but don't mind eitherway. --Jza84 | Talk  16:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he certainly does warrant mentioning here. I had a quick look at his article earlier this evening, and even the year of his death was wrong. Aren't there any articles on wikipedia that can be relied on to provide accurate information? :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Stretford's not bad. :P --Jza84 | Talk  20:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Images
I've just realised the distinct lack of images in this article. Since I live about a mile from Urmston and am proficient with an SLR, what would people like to see in this article? Parrot of Doom (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've wondered about that in the past, but the town centre is a building site right now. The only subjects that occur to me are the railway station and perhaps Trafford General. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Population data
I can only find population data for Urmston from 1861 onwards, and not from before. What is the source of that data (presumably the book cited), and what area does it cover? Fingerpuppet (talk) 23:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It comes from The Archaeology of Trafford, I'm not certain what area it covers, but I'll take a look and see if the book says anything. It's used for most settlements in Trafford. Nev1 (talk) 01:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Source
In case I forget, this source should be useful for expanding the history section. Nev1 (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)