Talk:Ursula Haverbeck

Poor Translation.
This article as it reads now (7 June 2015) seems to be a very poor translation into English from German. Someone more skilled in making such translations should improve the diction and the sentence structure, so that the reader can easily understand what the writer meant to convey.

Jenab6 (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the translation was made by some sort of AI (like maybe Google translate). I was going to fix some of it, but I'm not sure what is really meant in a lot of cases. I wish I could get my hands on the original German; then I could easily translate it into sensible and standard English. Jewlrzeye (talk) 08:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View.
Many articles about the Holocaust and about criminal trials in which the central charge is the assertion of views contrary to those required by the laws of a country (i.e., "Holocaust denial") are one-sided essays that push a singular point of view, often accompanied with an explicit warning that this is the only "acceptable" point of view. Obviously, this isn't the same thing as a Neutral Point of View. Indeed, it usually looks suspiciously like another case of censorship or intimidation being used on behalf of political correctness because it would not otherwise have a leg to stand on.

Accordingly, I would like to see the article written to ensure a Neutral Point of View, whether or not writing it that way would result in its being blocked from viewers in Germany.

Jenab6 (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Since the Holocaust is a documented fact beyond any question whatsoever, not sure what NPOV stance you would like to see? Wiki can't publish BS. 104.169.35.251 (talk) 00:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The broad subject here is not historical fact but freedom of belief. That was quite clear in the first comment above. Do try to be serious.92.24.250.42 (talk) 06:27, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * You're free to "believe" whatever you want to (no one knows what's going on in your "brain"), unless you publicly spread lies about the shoah or unless you deny or even approve it and thus disturb public peace. At least here in Germany this is forbidden. 46.114.137.17 (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * First, the English WIkipedia is not the "US Wikipedia".
 * Secondly, you are violating the "not a forum" rule. This is the place to discuss "Ursula Haverbeck", nothing else.
 * Thirdly, you are mixing the right of free speech with the right to publicly spreading lies. The later is not granted in Germany with respect to the holocaust and this is the reason why Haverbeck has been sentenced several times. Nillurcheier (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And, given Germany's nazi past and considering the danger from all those post-war nazis, this is only logical. 46.114.139.216 (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Occupation
Since when is "holocaust denier" an occupation? Can anyone find it in any actual profession/occupation list, anywhere? If not, please delete it from the "occupation" section. It is an OPINION, not an occupation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.26.180 (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oy vey... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.90.80.246 (talk) 10:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * In her case it's indeed a professional occupation. She collects money from her supporters and makes a living out of it. 46.114.137.17 (talk) 23:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Legal side
It has to be made clear in the article that public holocaust denial in Germany is a felony there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4904:DF00:A1C0:CDAF:1013:9A51 (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. --Cyfal (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

convicted again
Nov 21, 2016 - she went down in flames again today. But she is "appealing" the verdict. 104.169.35.251 (talk) 00:04, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/holocaustleugnerin-ursula-haverbeck-zu-zweieinhalb-jahren-haft-verurteilt-a-1122402.html Phantom in ca (talk) 08:12, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

in jail
she is in jail now [Anon]

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When now? Can we update it? Zezen (talk) 07:37, 30 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Now! (Or hopefully in a few days.) 46.114.137.17 (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

objections to the picture by 93.214.123.91
Here we will discuss if the pic should be removed and the reasons why. Personally, I don't see the downside, it's nice having pictures of things, no? Bluexepnos (talk) 11:18, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I deleted the image. It's from ca. 2014 and shows a woman posing in a Nazi uniform. No relation to Ursula Haverbeck. Chrisahn (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

The photo was most likely from deutscheswarmblut.tumblr.com (deleted) or prussica-imperatrix.tumblr.com (deleted). A copy from 2014-12-11 can be found here: https://unrepentantwarriorpriest.tumblr.com/post/104912244990/. Chrisahn (talk) 17:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * oh, well I'll be darned. Another source had the pic labelled as her. Alright, then I'll not put it back up. Bluexepnos (talk) 12:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

sentenced again
She's been sentenced again. For further information and sources see the German wikipedia. 46.114.137.17 (talk) 23:32, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

How can they so fear a 94 year old woman ? 47.202.194.213 (talk) 02:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not a fear, it's the law, which does not know an age limit regarding holocaust denial.Nillurcheier (talk) 07:27, 1 June 2023 (UTC)