Talk:Utah State Aggies football

Rivalries with Boise State and Utah State
Unnamed user, User talk:216.10.237.130, keeps adding in information about a rivalry with Boise State being called the "Big Mountain Rodeo" and a game with Air Force being called "Battle for the Hill". I have never heard of either of these "rivalries". I know for a fact that the game with Boise State has never had a name, let alone even be considered a rivalry. 216.10.237.130 has not provided any sources for either of these, only saying that "Bsuorange crush is removing material without updating research". I've looked, there isn't any information online that I can find for either rivalry name. Until actual sources can be given, the info should be removed. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:17, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 216.10.237.130 continues to revert my edits my edits without providing any sources. I don't want to get blocked for edit warring, I think I have provided more than enough proof that I am not vandalizing in any way. If sources cannot be provided by 216.10.237.130 then info about these rivalries should not be included. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:35, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Please see Bsuorangecrush discussion below, information is true and correct. Bsuorangecrush has deleted entire paragraphs and vandalized the page notwithstanding the accuracy of the information.

You recently added that they are rivals to both teams football pages. They have never been considered rivals. The game has never had a name. I have no clue where you go any of that information. But without sources I have removed it. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 19:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC) Again, you can't simply add information about a rivalry game, including the game being named, without a source. Please actually provide a source that Boise State Utah State is being called the Big Mountain Rodeo. I've searched, there isn't one site online that refers to the game that way. So unless you know something nobody else knows you can't add that information.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC) Take your argument to the Talk:Utah State Aggies football before reverting my work again.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC) Hello, Utah State and Boise State University are, indeed, rivals. Everything I stated in this section was correct. They meet each year in the Mountain Division of the Mountain West Conference. This is true. They are have the closest geographic proximities to each other than any other schools in the MWC. This is also true.

Will provide further evidence from USU Student-Alumni representatives on new rivalry name.

Please do not vandalize this page further. It is clear you are an avid BSU fan, but appear to know nothing about USU. You do not appear to be qualified to edit this page. Your biases against USU appear to be affecting your judgment calls. Thanks. \\ Yes, everything you have said is true, other than their being a name for the rivalry. It has never been called the Big Mountain Rodeo even once and you have still not provided any information to show that as the game name. Second, Utah State may in fact consider Boise a rival but Boise State does not consider Utah State a rival. Proximity does not automatically assume a rivalry exits. And I have over 100,000 edits to sports articles on wikipedia, I am more than qualified to make edits to any page. You can't simply start making claims without sources. Cite your sources or your information should not be included. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC) The Utah State Student Association and the Utah State Student-Alumni Association are both calling the upcoming game with Boise State -- which is likely to determine the champion of the Mountain Division of the MWC this year, the Big Mountain Rodeo. Everything that I stated was true. IF you would like me to qualify the statements I made with the fact that the name of the game is being called the Big Mountain Rodeo from the USUSA and the USSA, then I can -- but this is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.10.237.130 (talk) 23:58, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Provide a source! You have not provided a source! That is all I am asking you to do. If it is something the schools have agreed to then prove it! A source is all you need. Without that its just you saying it has a name with no proof. Simply provide proof and a source and It can be included. I am not vandalizing anything.

Since when is it something the schools have to agree on? If the USU Student Association and Student Alumni Associations are calling it such, then it is valid. Why does BSU have to officially "bless it." You are a fanatic and are vandalizing a webpage and you are deleting correct information due to personal bias and obvious fanaticism with all things Boise State. The whole point of rivalries is that they are part of and created by student culture -- of which you have no part.

Hello? I cited my source? No response?
 * What source? Provide a link to an article from anywhere and post it in your edit. You have yet to do that. Any source. Any website. Any article. You have not provided any proof other then saying "the USU Student Association and Student Alumni Associations". That is not proof. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 00:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You clearly do not know who wikipedia works. You say I'm vandalizing but you can't provide a cite reference to your claim at all. You don't even know how to sign your posts. I know what I'm doing. I'm not just some fan deleting wrong information. You are providing information without proof. It's a broad claim that you can't support. If you can provide a source, cite, reference, whatever you want to call it that is from an actual website you can post them I more then welcome you to do it. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 00:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

You by your own admission deleted entire paragraphs of correct information. The only single issue you have is the name of a game that is going to be played next month. It is vandalism if you delete entire paragraphs of correct information. If you have a problem with one single detail -- such as the name of a game, you can ask for the source -- which is pending. By deleting entire paragraphs, you are vandalizing. Please stop or I will report you. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.10.237.130 (talk) 00:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Please, report me. Because a) I have done nothing wrong, you can't provide one single source for anything you wrote and b) you clearly have no clue how to report anything. I have done nothing wrong. I have deleted entire paragraphs to revert the rivalries section back to how it was before you started adding info to it because all you added was info about false rivalries with Boise State and Air Force and listing division opponents as rivals. Even cross division opponents as rivals. Not everyone they play is a rival. So please report me. You have zero proof of any vandalism or understanding of wikipedia policies. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 00:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I have ample evidence of vandalism. The paragraphs you deleted contained numerous facts that do not need citing. Per Wikipedia rules, you do not have to cite known facts such as known geographic proximity or the fact that USU plays both Air Force and BSU on an annual basis as part of the Mountain Division of the Mountain West Conference. You clearly have personal bias on this subject, as even your name suggests, and are purposefully deleting entire paragraphs of known correct information simply because you disagree with maybe one or two facts to which you are not privy -- i.e., that the USU Student Association and Student Alumni Association are seeing these two contests, at least from their end, as being significant enough to the USU football program to provide them with a name. There was an article in the Salt Lake Tribune at the end of July of this very year stating that from Coach Well's point of view, EVERY in-conference and in-division game in the MWC is a "rivalry." But before you even allowed me to cite that article (one of many articles which support my positions I might add) you decided to delete entire paragraphs of correct information. This is textbook vandalism per Wikipedia's policy and you clearly did so because of your fanaticism with all this Boise State. Please allow my changes and stop deleting whole paragraphs of correct information. In the meantime, I will refrain from updating BSU football's Wikipedia's cite until the names become more public. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.10.237.130 (talk) 00:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Bsuorangecrush. The USU Student Association and Student Alumni Association are not unbiased sources, nor is the opinion of a coach in an article. There needs to be a lot more proof, such as significant independent coverage or for the rivalry, in order for it to meet the standards of WP:NRIVALRY. Not every in-conference matchup is a notable rivalry, not even in Power 5 conferences or situations such as the Ivy League where the same schools have been playing each other annually for over a hundred years. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

2020 Utah State football protest edits
Editor has inserted a claim about the 2020 football team refusing to play in the final 2020 game after meeting with the Utah State administration into both the Utah State Aggies football article, (which appears to be WP:RECENTISM) and as a second (2 of 2) sentence in the Utah State University section intro (which seems WP:UNDUE) about events that edit describes as "accused of discrimination."

WP:RECENTISM including Recentism is a symptom of Wikipedia's dynamic and immediate editorial process, and has positive aspects as well — up-to-date information on breaking news events, vetted and counter-vetted by enthusiastic volunteer editors, is something that no other encyclopedia can offer. Still, Wikipedia is not a newspaper and it is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, with attention to the long-term significance of the information included, and with awareness that, under the general notability guideline, not every topic will merit its own stand-alone article.

WP:PROPORTION An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject.

While I don't think the edit as written appropriately reflects the offered citation, I will repeat my edit summary as questions. Why are you inserting this content into the article which is about 130 years of USU football (WP:RECENTISM), but NOT adding it to the directly relevant 2020 Utah State Aggies football team article? Why is this the second/last sentence in an intro to the USU athletics section within an article about the 130 year-old academic university (WP:PROPORTION)?

The relevant articles for this content appear to be:
 * USU President Noelle E. Cockett -content/citations already added
 * 2020 Utah State Aggies football team -some coverage of events

What say you? UW Dawgs (talk) 04:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Ron Cassidy
Played at Utah State 1975-78. Played in the NFL with the Green Bay Packers 1979-81, 1983-84 98.102.28.142 (talk) 11:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)