Talk:Utah State University

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It's unfortunate that the most detailed portion of this page focuses on athletics, a venture in the periphery of the mission and purpose of Utah State University.

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Edits are relevant, accurate, and well cited.
Please give reason for deletion of well-cited, accurate and relevant edits. Information is relevant to Utah State University.

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I've removed a large swath of text that was previously removed for violating NPOV, so please discuss further and reach a consensus before restoring it. This is the equivalent of a PR piece. Praxidicae (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Well cited and accurate information. Relevant facts are not a PR piece. Your opinion is subjective and is not cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TechMastaSwimmer (talk • contribs) 18:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No it's basically just a way to brag about rankings in the lead and it doesn't belong there. Praxidicae (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

You deleted all information on the SDL. That is not bragging. You are deleting important historical information providing context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TechMastaSwimmer (talk • contribs) 18:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not the only editor who disagrees with your additions. Please read the cited policies and guidelines you've been given via edit summaries and stop making unfounded accusations. Also WP:SIGN your talk page edits. Praxidicae (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring to add details to lede
An unregistered editor is insisting that the lede of this article include several details that I believe are unnecessary: (a) the university is the only land-grant research institution in the state, (b) a sentence about the Space Dynamics Laboratory, (c) 2022 NSF-produced ranking of research and development expenditures, and (d) a claim that "USU's undergraduate research program is the second oldest program of its kind in the nation." This information is all unnecessarily detailed for the lede which is supposed to be a brief summary of the most important information in the article. ElKevbo (talk) 01:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * My apologies, not trying to trying to insist anything. But, out of curiosity, why is it unnecessary? It would appear that other institutions of higher learning have similar detail in the ledes to their articles. All of this would appear to be some of the more important information contained in the article. Other institutions appear to have much longer ledes than this page. Comparatively for a university, the lede for this page appears to be quite short. Just curious as to why this information, which appears to be pretty generally-known information, is unnecessarily detailed?


 * I mean, let's look at this objectively:


 * (a) the university is the only land-grant research institution in the state -- This is a true statement. Moreover, other institutions of higher learning that are the only land-grant institutions for their state have this claim in the lede for their pages. Again, is there is there a problem to say something similar in the lede for USU's page, when for example, Ohio State University's page makes the same statement?


 * (b) a sentence about the Space Dynamics Laboratory -- This arguably the most notable piece of information from the entirety of main article. While I can agree this one has detail, it happens to be one of the more important details in the main article.


 * (c) 2022 NSF-produced ranking of research and development expenditures -- This is a common ranking to include in the lede. Many university wiki pages include their NSF research ranking in the lede -- especially if the university is a known research university.


 * (d) a claim that "USU's undergraduate research program is the second oldest program of its kind in the nation." -- Also detailed, but also highly distinctive and a fairly important piece of information.


 * Also, why your recent blanket deletions on rankings? I did not make those edits, but they would appear to be highly relevant and informational.


 * Again, more curious than anything. Cheers. ;) 174.52.243.254 (talk) 02:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * (a) In the original Morrill Act, each state was only allowed to create one land-grant institution. There have been a few subsequent acts that have created a few more institutions but most states have only one or perhaps two land-grant research universities. So this fact is simply not worth mentioning in the lede.
 * (b) - (d) We have to be very selective about what's included in the lede. One of the ways we make that decision is by trying to figure out what's truly important, measured in part by what's discussed in the body of the article in detail. The lede is not simply a collection of positive facts and claims about the subject.
 * I'm happy to compromise on the inclusion of brief statements in the lede noting the university's research expenditures and the presence of the SDL. But the claim about the land-grant research status and the undergraduate research programs don't rise to the level of inclusion in the lede. ElKevbo (talk) 13:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am new to making edits here, and that makes sense. I will prepare a statement on SDL and the research expenditures. Much appreciation. 174.52.243.254 (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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Disputed Claim: West Point of the West
Several universities claim to be "the West Point of the West." Additionally, Utah State University's claim appears to be supported mainly by a student's master's thesis; several other sources within the university cite that as cause for the claim. The thesis makes a plausible-sounding reason for why it might have received such a title but does not substantiate the claim further. Considering the claim's questionable nature and presence among other institutions, it may be beneficial to remove it until a consensus on its origin can be reached. Jacy Ensley (talk) 15:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)