Talk:Utawarerumono/Archive 1

About the names
I know no Ainu at all, so it's likely that most of the romanizations are wrong (most of the names are based on Ainu). Genjimaru, Sakuya, and Touka are fine, since their names are in Japanese, and I'm pretty sure that Hakuoro is right (it means "white emperor" in Ainu, and is supposed to mean "白皇").Omgwtflolz 07:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, it's been some time since I played the game, so I've forgotten most of the plot. Don't expect much out of me. Omgwtflolz 07:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed all of the character names for now since no information can be said about most of them now except for their names. They will be introduced one-by-one as information about their characters becomes apparent.--Juhachi 00:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * ..."no information can be said about most of them now except for their names"? "As information about their characters becomes apparent"? The game's been out for four years. Omgwtflolz 05:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Most likely the ones who wrote that either, A) had no knowledge of the game or B) assumed nobody who reads this wiki knows Japanese or C) assumed that it's impossible to get information about the game and only through the anime. I wish I could have seen that sentence earlier... Mirioki 05:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For the character descriptions, the game does provide those (it's in the Options menu), so I guess I could take a look, translate it and maybe add it to the wiki. But I don't know if that would fall under copyright infringement, or personal reaseach, unverifiable or some other Wikipedia policy... 210.50.143.21 15:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, forgot to login, the above comment was made by... Roxybudgy 15:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Just providing the character descriptions qualifies as fair use. To be safer, you can add in some facts from the game's plot. All this is certainly verifiable - non-English sources are valid. In most cases, rules are relatively loose in this kind of article, probably in acknowledgement of the relative lack of seriousness and the available evidence, which in most cases is limited to writing down observations from the media. Kazuaki Shimazaki 16:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Multiple Translations
For right now, I have provided a list in the article with several different translations of the original title into English since I kept on finding more of them as I was researching for more information for the article. I just would like to know which ones are more 'official' than others, if that can even be so. --Juhachi 10:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know where you get those "translations" from, but they were obviously done by people who don't understand Japanese at all. うたわれるもの is obvious enough, but Hakuoro says 唄ワレル者 at the end of the game before (or maybe after, like I said, it's been some time) the final boss battle with him. The full quote was something around the lines of "我ハ汝に崇メラレ、唄ワレル者", which roughly translates to "I am the one you revere; the one you sing of". Said sometime after it's revealed that he's the great god Wistualnemimititetaitasomething. Omgwtflolz 05:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I can see your point there, but when I looked up the kanji for song and sing, it didn't match the kanji you provided. Is this because that kanji isn't used anymore, are does that word mean something other than 'sing'?--Juhachi 20:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

http://excite.co.jp/dictionary/japanese/?search=%E5%94%84&match=beginswith&itemid=01681700 In other words, no. The "translations" you had there were either entirely made up ("demi-human" indeed), "translated" by someone with a dictionary who doesn't actually know the language at all ("people dividing the song"), or just inaccurate (once again, refer to Wistualnemiwossname's line at the end of the game). In short, "not quite human" is utter rubbish that someone made up. Anyone who's able to play the game knows that. If you haven't, I'd like to ask you to please refrain from adding "information" that you can't verify. And before someone accuses me of "elitism" like they always do whenever I say this, this is common sense. Seriously, if you haven't played the game and/or don't even understand the language it's in, what are you doing editing an article on it? Omgwtflolz 04:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Point taken. I was just trying to add to an article that had little information in it and since the names kept popping up, I thought it'd be good to post them so that later on someone would come around and give an accurate translation, which is why I wrote that above the "translations."--Juhachi 04:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Genre
http://leaf.aquaplus.co.jp/product/#uta_d I don't see why "it combines the AVG genre and has turn-based strategy bits!!!!!!" needs to be there when it's already stated that it's an SLG/AVG. Omgwtflolz 04:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have but one question when it comes to Genre. Why is it that everyone is deleting the fact that the game is an eroge? Does people need proof that it's an eroge, if so, I have the pictures to prove it. I hope this is the last time I edit in that it's an eroge, or else I'm going to PROVE it's an eroge, even if it's blatant vandalism. You do not want to see me do that right? Then I suggest you leave the fact that it's an eroge alone! Mirioki 04:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The PS2 version obviously won't be 18+, and "eroge" is not a genre. Omgwtflolz 04:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * How is it not a genre? I think that's really just a personal opinion not to consider "eroge" or "hentai games" a genre of it's own. Oh well, even if the PS2 version isn't an eroge, it should still be noted that it the PC version is an eroge. Don't mislead the readers into thinking it's an innocent strategy game only to realize that there's blatant hentai pictures. Mirioki 04:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I added in the fact that the PC version is an eroge... My language isn't so refined though, so edit to your discretion... but leave the fact that it's an eroge alone. It's fact and therefore verifiable according to WP:V. The whole issue of whether "eroge" is considered a genre is something else altogether, but none of my concern at the moment. Mirioki 05:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, エロゲー is slang, and the correct term would be "adult game". Omgwtflolz 05:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? Then go ahead and change the term to "adult game" if you wish... Just be weary that the only wikipedia link to that particular genre Adult video games, or you can stick with eroge, just don't remove the fact that the PC version is an "adult game" of some sort. Mirioki 05:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Adult game ≠ AO game. Adult games are called adult games. Omgwtflolz 15:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that makes sense... but why call it an adult game when the Wiki article leads to Eroge? Wouldn't it be more accurate to call it Eroge then, even if it may literally mean "Adult Game"? Afterall, we should still take into account the difference in language meanings... Mirioki 20:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

They're called "adult games" in Japanese. Omgwtflolz 04:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So then why does the english version of that page lead to "Eroge"? It's just a question of curiosity really... Mirioki 05:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the game also a Visual Novel? I don't see any mention of that at all... Mirioki 00:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose it is, considering the screen shots I've seen of it concerning Dori and Gura being brothers. You can enter it into the article if you wish.--Juhachi 00:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Characters
I would just like to know why the formatting I gave to the characters section has been replaced with the bullets and something else. There are a ton of characters on that list that don't even have descriptions next to them. Is it really that important to have them down on the list if they're not even explained?

And another thing. Since Dori and Gura are twins with basically the same description next to them, and are more or less the same person, why not just combine them into one, like I had it set before Omgwtflolz changed it. --Juhachi 22:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Let's see, because they're two people? Omgwtflolz 04:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * But as far as anime is concerned, they might as well be the same person. In all the anime I've seen, I've always seen twins being referred to together since it's rather repetitive to have almost the exact same description for two people.--Juhachi 04:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems rather repetative and unecessary to use the same description for two characters. What's so wrong with merging the two into one category? It's not like we're denying they are two people... Mirioki 05:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Not putting Teoro, Niui, Deriouhai, Suonkasu, Hiin, and that annoying bastard who cries for his mama? (forget his name). lol.. --Clat 08:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded pics
But they all need major size reduction. Can't fix it now though... bye! Mirioki 02:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, so after resizing the images, there were these large white areas that stood out that you must have noticed. So, I moved the images around to get rid of the white areas; hope it's alright with you with how it looks. I'm going to try something else to make it look better than it does, so I'll post back later.--Juhachi 03:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm done editing it. It came out alright if I say so myself. ^^--Juhachi 03:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Episode List
Whoever completely re-did the episode lists, you rock. I'm interested in adding the the screenshots portion. How big should the pictures be? --Antoshi~! T 20:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The new template is using the new standard in listing episodes. All the information about it, and how big the images should be, is at Template talk:Japanese episode list.--Juhachi 03:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The Iceman?
I noticed this for a while now. Is there really a character called "The Iceman" somewhere in there? Or is it some kind of plug that no one bothered to remove? --Antoshi~! T 23:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a character called Iceman (アイスマン). --Madoushi 08:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes there is. The Iceman is the great god Witsomething after he was dug up by scientists in the past (our near future) and before he was split into Hakuoro and Dee. Omgwtflolz
 * From the Utawarerumono Glossary Part 22 "Aisuman - According to the image from the underground ruins, 'Aisuman' was discovered in the ruin frozen in ice wearing a mask, Hakuoro's lost past". Is someone going to add some sort of description to the article? Roxybudgy 13:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)