Talk:Ute mythology

Siats
"Siats is a cannibalistic clown monster." Is that true or am I looking at vandalism? Zazaban 21:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The only references I have found to this (Siats) are other pages quoting Wikipedia. This should go.58.30.7.253 (talk) 08:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this has been around for years now and (while this article's information has spread around the internet) there still doesn't seem to be anything corroborating any of it. Also, generally speaking, titles with exclamation points in them aren't WP:reliable sources (Beasts! by Jacob Covey, 2006 Fantagraphics Books, Inc. was ref'd for Bapets, but nothing else) Per WP:OR, moved text here for future editors with access to better libraries than I've got to sift it out.
 * Siats is a cannibalistic clown-monster. The clown-monster might have been used as an evil clown theme.
 * Bapets are giant Siat women who breast-feed children. The kids die from the poison milk. Then the bapets eat the children.
 * Cin-an-ev is a wolf trickster and culture hero.
 * A bear-spirit was especially venerated; the spirit occasionally went on killing sprees.
 * Sunuwavi was an Ute hero who once rescued his people from the bear-spirit by finding the qumu, the bear's fire medicine (spiritual power), and covering it with water, thus ending the spirit's power.
 * All-Mother was the mother of all people and things, similar to Mother Nature.
 * Hm... looked around for material to replace the current blank page with, but all I could find was the unbowdlerized version of the Coyote & Duck story below. It's great, but there really should be a treatment of the Ute cosmology, cosmogenesis, & explanation for their religious rites on this page, not just 'wisdom' lit. There are some books out there, but Google books has them on snippet or no preview. -LlywelynII (talk) 21:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Found a source for Shin-au-av, which means Cin-an-ev was close enough for gov't work, but source gives him as a human and Herculean figure, which is more or less the opposite of a wolf trickster (which should probably be coyote trickster anyway.) Is it just a variation among different tribes? or is he always a warrior instead of a thinker? -LlywelynII (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Coyote, Anal, & the Philandering Dr. Duck
Not exactly sure how to work it in, but still, a fun story if someone wants to try. -LlywelynII (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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