Talk:Uvaria siamensis

Melodorum fruticosum
Tom Radulovich, I'm not sure merging all the content from Melodorum fruticosum here was the optimal solution. Locally, they're considered distinct plants with different names, with separate cultural uses. (See for example this comparison graphic made by pharmacology students at Srinakharinwirot University.) Attributing the nom-maew as the national flower of Cambodia and provincial flower of Sisaket is especially incorrect, because those designations are attached to lamduan/romduol, not nom-maew. (Somewhat confusingly, the romdual name is also attached to Mitrella mesnyi, a synonym of Sphaerocoryne affinis, and that is the species declared as the Cambodian national flower.)

If we must have a single article following the botanical authority that regards them as synonyms, then the different varieties(?) need to be noted in the article, and their cultural aspects presented separately. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Update: The Flora of Thailand Project by the Thai government's Forest Herbarium lists lamduan as the common name of Sphaerocoryne lefevrei, with Melodorum fruticosum auct. non Loureiro. as a synonym, with the following note: "The pendent fragrant flowers, with the inner petals closed over the centre of the flower at anthesis, are familiar throughout Thailand. The species has long been known by the name Melodorum fruticosum Lour., now accepted as a taxonomic synonym of Uvaria siamensis (Scheff.) L.L.Zhou, Y.C.F.Su & R.M.K.Saunders. Sphaerocoryne lefevrei, which is typically a small tree or shrub, is quite similar to the climbing species S. affinis, and the two species have sometimes been combined...."

In short, the labelling of lamduan as M. fruticosum was a misnomer (sorry, I'm not familiar with the correct botanical terminology), and it is now listed as S. lefevrei. The merger should probably be undone and the content about lamduan/romduol either split to Sphaerocoryne lefevrei or merged to Sphaerocoryne affinis instead. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your research. You should move that content to whichever article is most appropriate, and please include your updated info. Tom Radulovich (talk) 15:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I've moved the Melodorum fruticosum page to Sphaerocoryne lefevrei and rewritten it based on the above. Melodorum fruticosum is now a disambiguation page. I've outlined the whole issue and noted areas I still need help with at WT:WikiProject Plants. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)