Talk:Víctor Jara/Archive 1

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How come it's not mentioned that Victor Jara was a member of the communist party?
He was a card carrying member!

Akhneton (talk) 23:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that the person who created the article was unaware of Victor's Communist Party membership. It is also possible that whoever created the article didn't want that to be mentioned because some people(including, perhaps, Akneton) would argue that it would automatically bias the reader against Victor Jara, and thus be POV.

The truth is that, while Victor did hold membership in that party,mohamed elnour was above him he never allowed himself to be bound by its line as an artist and a political activist. And the other thing that must be born in mind is that Chile's Communist Party was and is a legal and legitimate political organization that always worked within constitutional boundaries while Chile remained under democratic rule. It used some other methods when it was engaged in antifascist resistance to the Pinochet junta. But being a Chilean Communist was never the same thing as, for example, being an East German Communist.

Ken Burch (User talk:Ken Burch|talk]]) 06:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

References are provided
Who deleted the picture of Victor Jara's Grave and asked for references to citations? The picture was contributed fairly and references are provided as the book of Joan Turner Jara: An Unfinished Song.

Article is kind of messy
The information on this article is dimly presented and doesn't lend much light on the life of Victor Jara. It probably came from another site (i am sure of it), i think it should be rewritten with a bit more talent. Moreover the other areas of the article about popular culture is kind of just clustered there and doesn't flow well with the article itself. That photograph of Victor Jara's grave is grey and dim and is too big; something smaller would be better. Nothing is mentioned about Jara's theatrical work; his productions and theatre directing etc. No analysis is made of his songs. This article needs A LOT of work.

Quick Edit. 'machine gunned to death' ==> 'shot to death by machine gun fire' 'machine gunned' isn't correct English.

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astrophisical chart of 2644 Victor Jara
lejzy....you are Czech? Did you write the astrophysical chart of the 2644 Victor Jara asteroid slovakian page? If u speak slovak you could translate the info and add it to the english page.(gildemeister) I think this page needs a "Trivia" section! gildemeister Twilight Time

NPOV- I want to dispute the neutrality of this article.

 * What do you think is wrong with it? What should change? O'Dubhghaill 11:01, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bias
First of all this article was changed sometime after the complaint was lodged. Regardless though, the treatment of the 11 September coup is still not neutral. Many valid and close sources to Salvador Allende confirmed that he took his own life. Instead of saying he was killed perhaps one could rephrase it as "during the course in which he died." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.68.48 (talk • contribs)

your are incorect most sources say that he was killed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.95.203 (talk • contribs)

It may be impossible to avoid accusations of bias in discussions of the overthrow of the Allende government, given that there are still so many people who passionately denounce the coup and just as many who defend it.

My understanding is that the verdict of suicide in Allende's death was issued by the Chilean military coroner. It seems reasonable to doubt the objectivity of this individual, if for no other reason than that he could not issue a ruling on the cause of Allende's death that was in any way unfavorable to the new military regime without putting his own life in danger. Ken Burch

theatre
um it says he left theatre but that is not entirely true. he taught acting in the university of chile, in fact he was arrested at the university —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.95.203 (talk • contribs)

It would be more accurate to state that Jara decided to devote the bulk of his creative energies to music rather than theatre, although he remained involved in theatre to some degree for the rest of his life. Ken Burch

Which stadium?
Alright, after looking through Wikipedia and other pages via Google I've read conflicting accounts that Jara was killed at Estadio Nacional de Chile (National Stadium) and at Estadio Chile (Chile Stadium). One of these was apparently renamed to Estadio Víctor Jara (Víctor Jara Stadium) and I think it was the latter. The wikipedia article for Estadio Víctor Jara states that that stadium is not Estadio Nacional (and that's actually all it says). However, in the Estadio Nacional article it says that it was the stadium used as a concentration camp in 1973. Perhaps they were both used this way? I don't know. Most of the info I get on Google is in Spanish which I don't speak. Any clarification would be appreciated.--Lairor 08:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This PDF mentions both stadiums, and seems to make it clear that Estadio Chile was renamed. Also, this link clarifies that they were both used as prisons (with mentions of transfers, etc).  Hope this helps.  Neier 10:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Two other references in pop culture: 1. a painting by Oswaldo Guayasamín is dedicated (on the canvas itself) to Allende, Pablo Neruda, and Victor Jara. 2. the song "La Cucaracha" by Lila Downs.

He was tortured in a place called Large gymnasium.--BMF81 14:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

There's another pop culture reference, the band "Heaven Shall Burn" uses a quote from him in their song, "The Weapon They Fear", in fact, the entire song is about him. Definitely belongs in the article. For reference : http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/heavenshallburn/antigone.html and it's track two down the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.134.50.177 (talk) 22:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

2644 Victor Jara
Placed minor planet infobox[discovery/orbital/physical data]on this article and fixed asteroid stub. Why is this link on the legacy section of this article? (*_*((((=^..^=))))) Чисто Золото 11:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Estadio Chile
Both the Estadio Chile and the Estadio Nacional were used as detention camps after the 1973 military intervention. The Estadio Chile was renamed 'Estadio Víctor Jara' by the government that followed President Pinochet's period. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casius Longinus (talk • contribs) 22:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Image
Who placed that image in the centre of the section "Victor Jara Quotes"? Moshe-paz 13:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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