Talk:V.League 1

Best Championship in the Region
It is stated on this page that it is considered the best championship in the region. If this is the case, can it be referenced or sourced? If it can't be, then the claims are simply unfounded and the sentance will be removed. Druryfire (talk) 12:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Club name changes

 * For reference

HANOI (1 Nov 2009) – Fourth Military Zone have become the second team in the V-League to be taken over a private corporation following that of The Cong.

National army team The Cong was renamed after their long-time sponsor Viettel last month while this time round, Navibank have taken over the administration of Fourth Military Zone.

“Navibank have bought the club, so the club will be called Navibank. I and all the players will also be managed by the bank,” said head coach Vu Quang Baoen.

HCMC-based Navibank will make a public announcement of the new name in Ho Chi Minh City this week.

Druryfire (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

More for reference

http://vietfootball.blogspot.com/2009/12/t-ha-noi-new-head-coach.html - link this to 2010 page Druryfire (talk) 12:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Club Names
Since this is English Wikipedia, aren't all the club names here supposed to be in Roman alphabet? Clubs from Middle East are originally written in Arabic but they convert it into Roman. Thai's football clubs as well. Did I miss seomthing? Guybrush1979 (talk) 09:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

North/South Champions
I've removed the following information from the page, added today by User:Hockeyben. It was unsourced, and seems to contradict the stated fact that the V-League was established in 1980. If this information refers to divided regional leagues that preceded the present-day V-League, then perhaps these should be integrated into new articles that refer to those leagues. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 16:55, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

North Vietnam Champions South Vietnam Champions
 * 1978 Cau Lac Bo Quan Doi
 * 1979 Quan Khu Thu Do
 * 1966 Hai Quan
 * 1967 Cong An
 * 1968-1976 not played
 * 1977 Cang Sai Gon
 * Hockeyben has created two new articles, North Vietnam V-League and South Vietnam V-League, with a reference to his source. If anyone could help flesh out these articles, possibly adding more information and better references, please go ahead.--dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 17:18, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Name change

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 20:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Vietnamese Premier League → V-League – No English-language sources to support previous page move. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 17:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Support. Thanh Nien News says "V-League" (768-0). Kauffner (talk) 12:11, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
Can we please get confirmation in an English-language source before switching to a new name for this article? Just saying, since I can't actually find any English-language news source that specifically mentions "Vietnamese Premier League" as a new name for the V-League franchise. See Google News searches for "V-League" +Vietnam and "Vietnamese Premier League". --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 12:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to discuss, a bit disapointed that it wasn't discussed before and just changed on what seems a whim. If the name is changed, then surely the previous name should be written to the article? I've been reading various news reports of Vietnamese football over the last two weeks or so and not noticed any name change, although I do know that there was a meeting of the clubs and league around the end of September, maybe it came apparent then.


 * I will also add that 6 clubs were trying to break away to form a new league, this coul be running along the same lines. Druryfire (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell from the referenced article on An Ninh Thu Do (with the help of Google translate), the VFF vice-chair is quoted as saying that the V-League should or needs to be renamed, and the translation given is "Evidence of this, Mr. Vien said that the launch model, V-League should be renamed the Premier League." (Original: "Dẫn chứng về điều này, ông Viễn cho rằng khi mô hình trên ra đời, V-League cần được đổi tên thành Ngoại hạng.") There's a few things wrong with this. One person said it, sure, but does that mean it's going to happen? Stories change so often in the Vietnamese media that I wouldn't make this kind of change to the article until it's done. Moreover, the English term "Vietnamese Premier League" is nowhere to be found, which means that the official translation could be different. Until that official translation is known and printed in relevant English-language media, it doesn't make sense to change the name of the article.


 * And yes, as noted in the "2011 Controversy" section (which needs to be reorganized into another section IMO), certain teams, mostly unnamed, raised allegations of refereeing irregularities and wider organizational corruption, which is what's led the VFF to this point, where they're now saying that they will give up the operation of the V-League to a new organization, the VPF (Vietnam Professional Football). See here for confirmation of this. (This means we may have to overhaul a number of articles, including Vietnam Football Federation, Football in Vietnam, etc.) --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 20:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Upcoming changes to V-League structure
Feel free to add to this section! I'm adding it so everyone who's working on this article can consult together and make plans, since the article will need a few changes to reflect the upcoming changes in the league's administrative structure. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 16:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * A "History" section should be added, with a historical perspective of the league's formation, past administrative changes, and so on. The "2011 controversy" section needs to become a sub-section of this one.
 * A new section called "Management" should be added to explain the new management structure and the new role of the VFF and VPF.

Here's a short list of articles that will be affected by the upcoming changes to next year's V-League season, just so we make sure information will stay consistent across the board:


 * Vietnam Football Federation: Needs to be changed to reflect the new management of the V-League (i.e. the VFF will be a 36% shareholder in the VPF), and a section to address the corruption allegations needs to be added and fleshed out.
 * Vietnam Professional Football Company: Needs to be created.
 * Vietnam First Division and Vietnam Second Division: The First and Second Divisions will also be affected by the V-League changes.
 * Football in Vietnam: The "Since 1975" section is blank. This needs to be filled in, and the history of the VFF's (and now, VPF's) involvement since 1975 explained.
 * 2012 V-League: Explain the structural changes to the new year's V-League in the lede, and in the "managerial changes" section.
 * Football in Vietnam (Template): Add Vietnam Professional Football Company to the header, alongside VFF link.

Name change again
It looks as though there's some controversy surrounding the league's name again:
 * http://www.tuoitrenews.vn/cmlink/tuoitrenews/sports/top-tier-vietnamese-football-league-returns-to-old-name-1.60696
 * http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3868/main/2012/02/12/2901346/vff-refuses-vietnam-professional-footballs-naming-proposal
 * http://english.vietnamnet.vn/en/sports/18582/vff-ask-vpf-to-stop-using--super-league-.html

What does everyone think? This page seems to have been the victim of yet another drive-by renaming, but there seems to be enough cause for uncertainty at the moment that I'm wondering whether it's really worth it to revert. IMO we should probably just wait it out until things get clearer. Adding a note in the article about the controversy would also be in order. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 16:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Surprised to see the article name changed once again, as far as I'm concerned at the moment is that it is the Super League. Nothing has been agreed at this moment. Of course it can change nce again, but like Dragfyre says, let's discuss first and also put a note into the article we have. Druryfire (talk) 17:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The "V-League Eximbank 2012". Huh. I guess it's their league and if they want to rename it after a new sponsor every week, they can. Here is the league's site, with a V-League Eximbank 2012 logo proudly displayed on top, at least for this week. See a shiny new building in Saigon? It's probably a bank. The oldest, most dilapidated building in the neighborhood? Probably a hospital. All kidding aside, Thanh Nien is using "V-League" now, so we can too. VNN says, "Viet Nam Super League". I guess they didn't get the memo. Kauffner (talk) 12:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The article should be moved back to V-League as the majority of the English-language sources in the article (and those posted above) refer to it this way. We don't just rename the article according to the official name, it's about what the reliable English-language sources refer to it as. See WP:Commonname. Eldumpo (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Use of non-free images
The use of non-free images such as File:Vleague 2015.jpg, File:V-league2011.png and File:PetroVietnamGasV-League.png need to meet certain conditions in order to be used in an article due to copyright concerns. Not only do they have to satisfy all 10 of the criteria listed in WP:NFCCP, they also must not be used in any of the ways listed in WP:NFC as well as in lists per WP:NFLIST or tables/galleries per WP:NFTABLES. If the images were being critically discussed in the article or reliable sources were being cited which discussed the images, then it would probably be acceptable to use them. Simply posting the images a gallery with no commentary or discussion of them at all is not likely going to be considered a well-justisfied exception to WP:NFTABLES. The use of these images can be discussed at WP:NFCR if further clarification is needed. - Marchjuly (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I added the logo for the current sponsor to the article's infobox because the logo is currently the primary means of identifying the league and does not need to be accompanied by an additional commentary to satisfy WP:NFCC. I also added the non-free use rationale for the article required by WP:NFCC to File:Vleague 2015.jpg. The former logos are a little more trickier to deal with due to the Wikipedia's requirements for using non-free content. Simply adding them to a gallery of images as had been done is not allowed per WP:NFTABLES. It might, however, be possible to incorporate them into V.League 1 if there was some text discussing the images or the individual sponsors and not simply a bullet list. If the bullet list was converted to prose, then it would be possible to add a sentence or two about Eximbank or Petrovietnam connection to the league and then also add the images per NFCC#8- Marchjuly (talk) 00:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Use of File:VLeague_1_2015.png
File:VLeague_1_2015.png is a non-free image. This means that all 10 of the conditions in WP:NFCCP need to be satisfied for the image to be used in this article. One of this is WP:NFCC which says that a separate, specific non-free use rationale needs to be provided for each use of the image. There is no such rationale provided for the image for this article so it cannot be used here. If an editor wishes to use the image in this article, then it is their responsibility to provide the required valid non-free use rationale for the article. Without the rationale, the image cannot be used. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)