Talk:VOC opperhoofden in Japan

Significance of images in this context
The development of this list is a long-term, time-consuming project. While the work is continuing, it is my view that images are important. In my view, it makes more sense to have the Doeff image in the upper quadrant of the article -- if only as a device for breathing some kind of life into what promises to remain just a list of names and dates for the foreseeable future.

This placement throws off the two-column format ... which, to me, seems easier to absorb at a glance in contrast with the single-column list.

What to do is a question which invites comment and collaboration. --Tenmei (talk) 18:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

François Caron
Taksen -- Do you have a source that identifies Le Maire as the first Dejima opperhoofd? I seem to remember that I had questions in 2007 about how to handle Caron ...? I vaguely recall reading something in English at the library -- maybe Kodansha? Does this German chronology seem sufficient for the edit I've made? I look forward to your comments. --Tenmei (talk) 21:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello Tenmei, you seem to remember, or vaguely recall, but the German source does not say François Caron was opperhoofd in Dejima. Caron had to accept all the conditions of the Japanese, c.q. had to organize the removal and leave! They were upset about his behavior, building a stone warehouse, with a christian date on it. My information, and for you easy to read, is from here: [Boxer. C.R. (1935) Caron (F.) & Schouten (J.) A True Description of the Mighty Kingdoms of Japan & Siam, p. LXII. Reprinted from the English edition of 1663 with Introduction, Notes and Appendixes by C.R. Boxer. Amsterdam.] and here  and is quit clear. A Dutch source mentioned he left in February 1641, a Japanese mentions December 1641, so the sources on internet are unclear. But most important: in 1641 Le Maire travelled to Edo and Caron had to leave, without any authority to deal with the Japanese any longer. I suppose you have to revert your changes again.Taksen (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks. The changes have been made; and I added the Dejima opperhoofd chronology links and the Boxer-edited version of Caron's book to the article about Maximiliaan le Maire. --Tenmei (talk) 16:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)