Talk:VR Group

Company name
Am I right in thinking that the company is now only known as VR, and that Valtionrautatiet is obsolete? Arwel 11:00 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
 * You are. VR's former full name of Valtionrautatiet (= State Railways) was replaced by VR (no longer standing for anything but itself) either in 1990 (when the railways ceased to be a civil service department) or in 1995 (when the public enterprise formed five years earlier became a state-owned limited-liability company). Probably the latter, as I recall we received a communication at work from VR about 10 years ago asking us not to use the term Valtionrautatiet any more in our references to the company. -- Picapica 13:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Translation Troubles
This page, like the SJ AB page contains a mistranslation. Both the VR (Finland) and SJ (Sweden) are translated as some variant of "State's Railway."

Split the compound word (common in Finnish) Valtionrautatiet into its two halves.

Valtion- : State's (valtio = state, -n (ending) is the possessive case in Finnish)

-rautatiet: The Railway (rautatie = railway, -t (ending) is essentially "the" in Finnish) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.175.72 (talk) 23:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The -t ending here stands for plural though. Rautatie = railway, rautatiet = railways. - Kjet 06:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Small changes
I added the notion that the international trains to Russia, the Sibelius, Repin and Tolstoi, are passenger traffic, in order to avoid confusion with freight traffic. Furthermore, added a little information about freight traffic between Finland and Russia, and added an external link to VR Cargo, which company handles the domestic freight traffic in Finland.

I think someone could add an entire section (or article) about the freight traffic, since freight is a significant source of income for the VR Group.

Also, I think that this article focuses too much on the Pendolino. It is true that the Pendolino is the current flagship of VR, but as of now, the article says nothing about the Intercity services. This gives not a very balanced picture about VR operations, in my opinion. The chapter "Pendolino Routes" could be removed altogether, since this information is interesting only for the rail enthusiast, and is obtainable from the VR Internet site. Instead, one could simply mention the length of the track net and total number of destinations where the Pendolino currently operates.

-Didi7 19:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Double-stacking of containers
I doubt that is done or even possible on Finnish railways. Maybe with some special low-floor specialized container carrier wagons (that don't exist in Finland as far as I know). Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.

TorLillqvist (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have personally never seen containers being double-stacked on Finnish railways, certainly not on ordinary flatcars. Both this article and the article on loading gauge seem to give the impression that Finland operates the same loading gauge as Russia, but neither offers a reference for this clain. My understanding of this is that the Finnish loading gauge is in fact closer to the Scandinavian loading gauge than the Russian, but I could not quickly find a source to verify this. — Kjet (talk · contribs) 10:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The Finnish loading gauge can be found here: http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/julkaisut/pdf8/lv_2014-04_finnish_railway_web.pdf (PDF page 111). The maximum loading height is 5300 millimetres from the rail surface. Thus, as a standard container (non-hicube) is 2591 mm high, two of those stacked are 5182 mm high - only 118 mm less, which is not enough for the wagon and for the clearance between it and the rails. That means, no double stacks. The gauge is high enough to allow piggybacking trailers on normal flatcars, without the need of well cars or other special equipment 91.155.195.11 (talk) 04:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Cleanup (April 2010)
I feel that this article is not easy to read. Perhaps the different rolling stock should be on its own page. Also information like the travel times is perhaps obsolete and is repeated on Rail transport in Finland... Related to the subject, Finnish Transport Agency and TraFi (Finnish transport safety agency) should also be populated. --Yaamboo (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 22 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

VR (company) → VR Group – Article was moved from this title in December 2017 without discussion and with an edit summary of "WP:NCCORP". An excerpt from that guideline: "The legal status suffix of a company ... is not normally included in the article title ... When disambiguation is needed, the legal status, an appended "(company)", or other suffix can be used to disambiguate (for example, Oracle Corporation, Borders Group)". There was nothing wrong with the original title per the NCCORP guideline, however the WP:NATURALDIS policy does state that natural disambiguation should be used over parenthetical when possible (eg Nike, Inc.). The VR Group name more precisely identifies the topic and is commonly used in the media. BLAIXX 12:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Warm Regards, ZI Jony  (Talk) 16:05, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


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