Talk:Va tacito e nascosto

Lyrics section
Yes, it's unreferenced, that's not a major issue, but what is the significance of the three columns? Two different interpretations of the original text? It could use an explanatory note... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought it was obvious: one is a prosaic literal translation, the other a singable poetic approximation; see, sung by Janet Baker with this text, allegedly by Brian Trowell. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:41, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not obvious to me, and I guess it's not obvious to many of our readers. If you think "prosaic literal translation" and "singable poetic approximation" are common terms bandied around by the majority of the English-speaking population, sure, no explanation needed, but I don't think they're common at all. Still suggest you add a note.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's obvious to me but I guess, all things considered, we should probably write our articles to be readable by the lowest common denominator. LavaBaron (talk) 05:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Title
Should the title be italicised? The DYK running later today has it italicised in the hook, but there doesn't seem to be any consistency in these aria articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * According to MOS:ITALICS, the titles of major works (operas, albums, books) are italicised (details at MOS:TITLE), minor works (songs, arias, poems) are not. There is of course a conflict with MOS:FOREIGN in this case, but it is long-standing practice that MOS:NOITALIC should be applied, regardless of the aria's language. Which arias do you see italicised? // DYK, you say? Run for the hills. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:41, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the hills have eyes, as does the main page. It's there now, so it's been italicised.  I suggest it should be taken to ERRORS or similar, and the edits I've made to the article reverted, if you're right.  Arias that are italicised?  Easy, just go to Category:Arias and it won't take you long to find a bunch.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't find a "bunch" of italicised title at Category:Arias, and those that are fall under WP:Other stuff exists and ought to be changed. Per WP:BRD, I've reverted to straight Roman and started a discussion at . -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

?Merge
I could not decide on this as a GA (see above). One additional reason which made me withhold was considering whether this can really rate as an article at all. Unless it can be beefed up, it should perhaps simply be merged with the article on the opera. There is very little in the article which justifies it as an independent - all that is claimed as special about it is that is has a horn part. Other articles on arias seem to be either about 'standalones' (e.g. Ah! perfido), or on very well known arias (e.g. Dido's Lament), or look to me (where nothing special is said about them) like candidates for deletion (e.g. Meco all'altar di Venere): none of which classes quite fit here.....--Smerus (talk) 14:45, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it could be a subsection of the article on the opera. I agree with you, it shouldn't have been created in the first place, moreover a candidate for GA status. It is nothing but a stub. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * MarioSoulTruthFan and Smerus, I disagree. This article, while perhaps not GA at the moment, is clearly much more than a stub and would unbalance the level of detail in Giulio Cesare. Besides, it is singled out for analysis in multiple sources, e.g., , , which could be used to expand the article further. Voceditenore (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * So what are you waiting for? Expand it MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:47, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I could ask the same of you, MarioSoulTruthFan :). I don't have the time now as I am working on several other articles, but I will add the sources to further reading. The article's creator can expand this, or any other editor, for that matter. Voceditenore (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I am willing to expand it, but am i allowed to after having rejected it for GA?--Smerus (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, Smerus. You'd just need to get another reviewer if the creator still wants to go for GA. But even if not, this could be an interesting and better article, which is the goal. I've also added three recordings where the aria appears on recital albums by quite eminent singers. It shouldn't he hard to find reviews for them. I'll try to do that later. Interestingly, one of the albums has it transposed for a bass-baritone (Bryn Terfel). Voceditenore (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually thought you were the nominator Voceditenore. At this point is not even near to be GA material. A couple of sources here and then and of course more information and it might be able to, depending on the info. FYI I just don't have the time right now. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, I've now rewritten and have finished (I think). I doubt whether this is GA standard :-) but i think it's now above the 'start' level, so someone might consider changing the rating.--Smerus (talk) 11:03, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Great job, Smerus. I've raised this to "C", but it arguably could be a "B", or even GA since I don't see how much more could be added to this. I personally avoid GA and FA like the plague and have never nominated an article for either of them. Thus, I have no idea whether this is now GA standard but in terms of the criteria "Broad in coverage", I'd say the current coverage is now as broad as it could be given how narrow the topic is. In my personal opinion, an article can have a narrow focus and still be "good". Voceditenore (talk) 13:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * PS. It's not orphaned anymore. I've added it to Template:George Frideric Handel which lists articles for three other Handel arias ("Lascia ch'io pianga", "Ombra mai fu", and "Svegliatevi nel core", all of which are quite poor, incidentally). Voceditenore (talk) 13:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks VdT!--Smerus (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Simile Aria
Please don't laugh me, but I have always thought that Caesar here was comparing Tolomeo to the hunter who conceals the deceit in his heart, and showing that he has seen through Tolomeo and won't be caught by him. The article makes out that Caesar is comparing himself to the hunter, but it would be strange for him to admit, as this reading requires, that he has deceit in his own heart. Any views? Seadowns (talk) 23:06, 29 June 2018 (UTC)