Talk:Val Kilmer/Archive 1

Seizure
I note there's no citation to the bit about Wesley dying in a swimming pool, so I've gone ahead and added a fact tag to it. If anyone has a source could they go ahead and add that? Thanks. 71.227.168.121 (talk) 01:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Movie L.A. confidential is missing in Filmography
Please add this movie.
 * He's not in it. You must be thinking of Guy Pearce. $chnauzer 14:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Difficult
The article did read "Most notably directors Ron Howard (Willow) and John Frankenheimer (Batman Forever) spoke out that he was hard to work with." I changed it to read "Joel Schumacher (Batman Forever)" for the simple reason that Schumacher directed the film, not Frankenheimer. However, Kilmer did work with Frankenheimer, but on the film The Island of Dr. Moreau. So which was right--the film or the director? --KQ
 * I'm afraid I can't be much help here. My participation on this article was only a minor incidental housekeeping one related to cleaning up Batman links.  Otherwise I'm clueless about this issue.  This kind of question is consistent with what I had in mind when I tried to give life to the Nupedia mailing list on film. Eclecticology
 * Thanks for the reminder. I just posted about that.  --KQ 01:11 Oct 17, 2002 (UTC)
 * Well, I still don't know, haven't found out, am removing it for fear it's incorrect. --KQ
 * All three of the directors in the films mentioned found it hard to work with him... however others found it easy (e.g. Oliver stone - The Doors). Swedishdave

Graffitti in Toronto
What of the Val Kilmer heads adorning buildings all over downtown Toronto? It's a citywide enigma with some serious recognition.
 * http://shufler.livejournal.com/294937.html this should explain things Swedishdave 13:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

read this: http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2005-01-20/news_story.php [it debunks the shufler story]

His full name
Isn't Valentine. I checked the California birth records at Ancestry.com - he is listed as just "Val E. Kilmer". These records don't usually shorten names. Anyway, I'll change the invisible editors note. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 05:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

1990s
Section needs some definite citations - or removals. All the bits about about the Doors, mainly. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 06:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC) Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 06:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * More sourcing needed for "He was initially cast in the part and was excited about playing the Mormon church founder, but had to back out due to other acting obligations. "
 * "The play is receiving excellent critical reviews, as are Kilmer and his co-stars. " - on Postman
 * "It was claimed that Kilmer purposefully burned a cigar on a cameraman's arm during filming, but Kilmer himself insists that it was an accident. Kilmer also has his defenders who insist that his reputation for beign "difficult" has been widely distorted."
 * Also the category "Multiracial Americans" - don't really think it belongs unless a person is distinctly multiracial - Kilmer is just 1/8th Cherokee and has some other "ethnic" ancestry who know how far back.

Good article
Shall we nominated it for this status? Mad Jack 20:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Honestly, it reads more like a paean than an encyclopedia article. I don't think it's very good.Uucp 00:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Kindergarten Cop????
Val Kilmer wasn't in Kindergarten Cop! At least not according to the IMDB, there's not a mention of it! If this is supposedly true I'd like to see it backed up.216.90.56.122 19:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I saw Kindergarten Cop, and I didn't see him in it at all. I hope this helps. BWMSDogs 18:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The kind of hot bad guy (Remember the Dad when all of the kids yelled, "Stranger Danger!") sort of looks like Val, but it's not him. I'm sure they list who the actor really is at the ending credits like they do in every movie that was made in America for the past hundred years now. They're usually pretty thorough about these things and will have things listed like, "guy in elevator" if the part did not even have a name. I mean they're going to have the actors name I'm sure both on the credits and IMDb. SAG have a lot of strict rules about things like that. Phuckin' Phylean is DJ Jezzebella 23:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJezzebella (talk • contribs)

Good Article
This is not a good article. It's main reference is Rotten Tomatoes, which is not legit site. Also, like stated above, it reads like a paean. --GoOdCoNtEnT 07:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Sephardic?
Somebody has a very active, fertile, and wishful imagination. Is there any evidence Kilmer has any Jewish blood, other than demographic statistics? 69.109.114.183 12:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What? It's cited right there. "Val Inside the actors' studio" cites the whole sentence on his background. Predictably, the link doesn't work exactly when you need that, but the Actor's Studio episode featuring Kilmer mentioned everything that is listed on the page. Mad Jack 17:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, you can see a cached version here Mad Jack 20:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I hope you're well stocked on analgesics for the post Halloween headaches. ;-)

Representativity?
Reading the article, Val Kilmer is an actor who has worked solidly since the beginning of his career, mostly producing movies that are either box-office hits or overlooked critical darlings, while otherwise staying out of the limelight - this doesn't seem to describe this actor to a T.

I wouldn't quite call it NPV, and it certainly is in compliance with BLP, but there seem to be some sources of subtle bias: commercial success or reasonable reviews are always mentioned, whereas bad reviews (which are plentiful) are omited. The many (and often wacky) controversies that have been reported over the course of his career aren't mentioned - the exception being the feud with Tom Cruise (currently likely to be considered the one responsible for whatever feuds he has).

In short, it just reads like a publicist-penned bio. It needs a bit of balance. Mip | Talk 18:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, there was no feud with Tom Cruise off camera. They're both pretty professional. I think the performance was so very believable that it's made people's minds feel that there's a real feud going on between the two of them. The only real legitimate qualm or gripe that I have heard anything about was that he didn't really want to do the film in the first place but was forced to under contract with the studio. If you think about his training and background it kind of makes sense because honestly the role is really beneath him. I mean he's Juilliard-trained for phucksake not to mention he's a method actor that's been able to pull off some amazing characters so believably that you forget which is which. He's written a one-man live play that was not even boring and that's pretty hard to do. Since Top Gun surprised everybody with how successful it ended up being I'm sure he's probably long over his adversities to playing that role. I can't help but wonder if it erks him that he is Internationally known for the one roll that seems almost primate-like compared to his incredibly diverse and extensive portfolio of "grown up" roles that I can only imagine he would much rather talk about. Just saying. Phuckin' Phylean is DJ Jezzebella 23:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJezzebella (talk • contribs)

Image
Guys, we've got to get a Main Image, any Ideas? Obi-WanKenobi-2005 03:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that guy and I the only ones that care? BWMSDogs 13:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Does that one work? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The Doors
If I'm not mistaken, the information about him memorizing the lyrics to the Doors music is false. I believe that on the Doors dvd, that their is a special feature which includes an interview with Oliver Stone stating that Val had been in a Doors cover band and that he recording a tape which contained his cover bands music and the actual doors and asked Oliver to differentiate between the too. I hope this helps.

Pen spinning/coin flourishes
Val Kilmer often uses dexterity play in his films, such as pen spinning or coin flourishes in his movies. Anyone have some source for info on this? User:Pedant 05:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Where is he really from?
I live in a very small town in Arizona where Val Kilmer's mother lives, who, by the way, is one of the sweetest women ever. I also work at a resturant where he is known to show up every once in awhile. I was just wondering why in any of his articles why it never mentions our town and the fact that his mother lives her, that he visits frequently and where he supposably went to school for a short period of time and where his brother Mark did go to school. Any suggestions why is is never mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.176.60.170 (talk) 17:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

He's probably being protective of his family and the little town that they live in. He works in the public eye. You have to be very, very careful about letting anybody know anything about where you or your loved ones are, or any addresses, phone numbers, license plate numbers, or real last names even because people are phucking crazy. Look at the whole John Lennon thing that was so random, but you never know. So, now, with that frame of mind, can you see why the last thing anyone wants is for the public to know where their parents, siblings, spouse, and kids are at, right?A person could go crazy and never get a decent night's sleep worrying about that. So please keep his mom's favorite hangouts on the down low and not up on Facebook. Phuckin' Phylean is DJ Jezzebella 00:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJezzebella (talk • contribs)

Gay porn?
I suspect this is vandalism but I'm quite new to Wiki and unsure if I should just go ahead and cut out the swathe of text at the start of this article as I can find nothing to back it up with.

I'm sure it's vandalism, as somebody else had added a note about him turning down roles due to his commitment to the KKK.98.232.244.6 (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

KKK? Wow, somebody better let Denzel Washington, 50 cent, and the better part of Africa where they filmed Ghost in the Darkness know that Val doesn't like them anymore because they have KKK-cooties now. Seriously? Phuckin' Phylean is DJ Jezzebella 23:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJezzebella (talk • contribs)

Height and Cindy Crawford
Both of these bits seem as if they were injected at random when trivia was merged. The fight the couple had hardly seems worth mentioning. Reb42 (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Politics
He's campaigning for Ralph Nader:

A Nader source

L.A. Times —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.245.143 (talk) 04:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Joyce Kilmer Second Cousin?
I am guessing more precisely he would be a second cousin once or twice removed due to the number of years between their births.--Jrm2007 (talk) 06:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Parents
I added this content : "His parents divorced when he was eight years old, both remarried. His mother lived in Scott Township in 2000 when she donated to the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh. ". It was reverted as "not encyclopedic". I think it's very relevant to his life to know that his parents divorced for one thing, and that he has a step-father and a step-mother. Discuss. Pickle23 (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with the addition is more complex. The source does not support that his parents divorced when he was eight years old, nor that they both remarried, nor when. The only thing it supports is that Kilmer's mother donated to the museum and began doing so again after her husband died, then gives her picture. It barely mentions anything else. Basically, what is left when the unsupported content is taken away is "this is Kilmer's mother", which is already sourced in the article. At that point, it's a trivial mention of his mother, which really doesn't come close to encyclopedic content. While it might be encyclopedic to add, and properly source, that they divorced and have step-parents, the addition didn't support it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. It supports these assertions: "Here is a picture of his mother.  She was yet alive in 2000.  She had married to another man.  Here is the name of that man.  Her is where she was living.  She names her children, including Val Kilmer the actor."  If you would consent to adding this reference that she exists with the name of her last husband, I can add the reference to their divorce and her remarriage both of which I have, seperately.  I just hadn't added them yet.Pickle23 (talk) 22:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A picture of her mother and the fact that she was still living in 2000 and where is what is trivial. If you have reliable sources about the divorce and the remarriage, then that is sufficient and renders the use of this reference moot. The names of his brothers are already listed and sourced. This source just does not add enough that is not already present, and relevant, to the biography. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality?
Lots of info about his feelings about roles, and about the success of certain pictures. After reading his career section, I was almost convinced that he was an excellent actor. Then I was like, "wait a minute..." *smack* *smack* *smack*. My point is that right now, it only outlines the positive. We either need to put in more information about particular pictures, whether they were successful or not, or take out all of the gushy shit about specific films and activities. Just a thought. 206.211.150.208 (talk) 11:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Riddle (movie)2011
There is a new movie with Vin Kilmer called Riddle. Anyone has any information about this movie? There is no page of it yet, I hope someone will make it soon. More information at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1648208/

U.S. Marine knocking out Tom Cruise on Top Gun set was falsely attributed to Val Kilmer.
Here's what actually happened:

Cruise was smoking a cigarette on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier in close proximity to highly flammable fuel. When an active Marine told him to put it out, Cruise allegedly spit in his face. The Marine decked Cruise and knocked him out. The whole incident was hushed at the time. If you look closely you can see Cruise's black eye in at least one scene of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.253.210.25 (talk) 01:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Source, please. Per WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE, I have removed the paragraph in question pending confirmation that the source is legitimate (I can't find evidence of a publication entitled Feature to assess whether it's a reliable source) and because a single source from 27 years ago may be insufficient for sourcing such a claim, let alone demonstrating that it's noteworthy. (So two actors don't get along. Big deal.) I note here for the record that there's been some recent disagreement over similar, albeit less carefully worded, content at Tom Cruise. Rivertorch (talk) 19:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Isn't that cute the way rumors fly around like Hollywood High School? Bad cubs play nice now! Phuckin' Phylean is DJ Jezzebella 23:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJezzebella (talk • contribs)

Should he be in Category:American Christian Scientists?
I was pretty sure he is or was CS, but I know people are nervous about religious categories.--T. Anthony (talk) 04:06, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Throat tumor
There are reports about Kilmer being hospitalized for aggressive bleeding of the throat as a result of a throat tumor. Should we add that? Plus recently he lost a lot of weight and that too has been speculated. That is related to the throat tumor should we add that under a new subsection by the name "Health"? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 09:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Mary Baker Eddy/Mark Twain film
Article sez:

''In 2002, Kilmer worked on a film about the life of Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of the Christian Science church,[46] and Mark Twain, one of her most famous critics. Kilmer is still working on the film, which is about the lives and relationship of Mary Baker Eddy and Mark Twain as "a quirky, tender, tragicomic portrait of two contrasting lives, set against the backdrop of Gilded Age America."[47] ''

Surely he's not still working on this film 15 yrs later? Anyone have any info to update this? ScarletRibbons (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

PS>Some weird link showed up at the bottom that isn't here to be erased! Back again: Oh. It's the footnote. Duh LOL Which isn't a viable source any longer. ScarletRibbons (talk) 19:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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Grammy Nomination?
Under 2010s sub-section of Career, it says few was nominated for a Grammy for "Best Spoken Word" but it doesn't say what work that was for. It's just kind of dropped in with no citation or context. I assume he didn't win, since it only says nominated, but the article should make it clear. And perhaps the reference belongs in a different place, depending on the details. MandieJ1975 (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Archive link is missing
Shouldn't there be a link to an archive of past talk page sections? 87.94.108.198 (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * No archive pages exist yet. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 03:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There were many discussions on this page if you look at the history. I guess they got deleted then? Shouldn't talk page sections be archived instead of deleted? 85.76.72.113 (talk) 07:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You would be correct. --85.76.84.151 (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Christian Science Faith
"Kilmer didn't initially wish to seek formal medical treatment for his cancer diagnosis, according to this New York Times profile, published in 2020. His two children — Mercedes, 30, and Jack, 27 — worked hard to motivate their father to turn to medical experts, as Kilmer had planned to fall back on his Christian Science faith to live through his illness." - Zee Krstic, Good Housekeeping, June 12, 2022 Ginacanadiangirl (talk) 09:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

billy the kid
you might not want to forget what i think was val’s first acting job which was a portrayal of billy the kid. it predates everything you have talked about so far. 204.83.28.120 (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You're referring to the Billy the Kid TV movie? That was in 1989. That's not his first acting job.$chnauzer 03:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Opinion piece, not encyclopedic entry
This article begins with a listing of movies he has acted in, but then very abruptly after the "stats box" morphs into a highly obvious opinion piece. It needs editing. Mother Newton (talk) 23:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Smoking
Since he developed throat cancer, shouldn't we mention the fact that Kilmer (as he has stated in interviews) began smoking cigarettes at the age of 8? 98.123.38.211 (talk) 03:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)