Talk:Valar Dohaeris

Manticore or scorpion
There's been a succession of reversions debating whether the creature used in the assessinate attempt to Dany should be called "manticore" or "scorpion". Trut-h-urts man argues that the wiki article for manticore does not reflect what we saw on screen, which is true. It's also true that it wasn't a scorpion either.

The source books clearly identify the creature as a manticore (ACOK, Chapter 63: “He was a Sorrowful Man. There was a manticore in that jewel box he gave me. This man knocked it out of my hand.”), and the descriptions of the book coincide with what we saw onscreen (see |Manticore at GoT wikia).

My opinion is that we shoul call it manticore as per the world the series are set in, but without linking it to the manticore article because this is a more realistic version that the classical mithoogical one. Thoughts? --RR (talk) 08:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. It is more likely a manticore than a scorpion.  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  08:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It is not a manticore. Until the show says it is/was (which presumably it could, seeing as it's a fantasy series and doesn't have to play by the rules) we should call it a "creature", a nice neutral term. Please don't take my reverts of "manticore" to "scorpion" as an endorsement of "scorpion" - it really only looks like one. The series (which is based on the books, not an exact word-for-word copy of the novels) can have a different creature try to kill her, just like the books had Barristan masquerading as a guy named Arstan Whitebeard until much later. Call it a "creature" until the series makes it known what was in the ball. Trut-h-urts man  (T • C) 17:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If it came from a ball, it's probably a Pokémon. Seriously now, calling it creature seems like a good, neutral option.  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  19:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, its been a couple days with no objections, so I will make the change to creature until the series tells us different. Trut-h-urts man  (T • C) 20:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Why not just say that the creature is called a manticore in the books but not named in the series? That worked for the meaning of "valar morghulis" in Valar Morghulis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Oathkeeper
There's an RS RfC on the Oathkeeper talk page. Participation (and fresh voices) would be welcome. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)