Talk:Valentino Rossi

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The Doctor
"There are two theories as to why Rossi is entitled "The Doctor", one is Rossi adopted the nickname upon having earned a degree, which in Italy entitles one to use the title "Doctor". Another, as spoken by Graziano himself, "The Doctor because, I don't think there is a particular reason, but it's beautiful, and is important, The Doctor."

That's total crap, he called himself "The doctor" WAY before receiving that degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.3.50.164 (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Also: "Rossi is a common surname for Doctors" is ridiculous: Rossi is a common surname for whatever profession: it is one of the most common italian surnames! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith 64 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

This is uncorrect, as Valentino has stated himself many times on interviews in italian TV, the moniker had originally started from the inner circle of his friends (the "Tribu' dei chihuaua" he has written on his helmet.) It originates from his uncanny ability to recognize and address bike setups problems (thus "Healing" it) since the very first time he sets foot on it.

Also, in italian you can use the same word you use to say you obtained a Ph.D at the university, to say you won the world championship (it applies to any other sport aswell) thus earning him the title the Doctor. He used the nickname "The Doctor" way before he earned his honorary Ph.D (2005). You can see "the doctor" stickers on the side of the windscreen back to when he was in Honda (2000-2003). So, while earning a degree has certainly given a further meaning to this nickname, it surely was not the originating reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.247.216.87 (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What is the point of detailing this on the talk page when you can amend the main article? --Falcadore (talk) 03:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Compensation
According to the reference he is the second best paid non-US sports person, assertion in text is incorrect.

Style
This article really isn't written in an encyclopedic style. Describing him as 'lovable' and 'amazingly talented' doesn't seem particularly appropriate and large chunks of the bibliography seem to have been written by an extremely gushing fan.

Sidebox
The side box is confusing- it lists Rossi's 125/250/500/MotoGP stats together and seems to contradict the "Records" section. It should be updated with only his premier class (500/MotoGP) stats or the heading in the box should be changed (and I can't figure out how to change the heading).

01:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)01:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)01:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC) I think this is a great page about a legendary rider. I had the pleasure of meeting Valentino in 2003 - before the race where he had to make up the 10seconds. The rivalry with Gibernau's team was rampanent then too.

Gibernau's has never won since Rossi told him 'You'll never win another race in MotoGP' after the Quatar penalise in 2004 for Rossi preparing the start grid with rubber. Anyone got any more info on that?

Ferrari test
Quote from the article: ''The first day saw Rossi spin out on the damp track into the gravel trap ending his day. On the second day, he posted the ninth fastest time of fifteen drivers, approximately one second behind Schumacher, who himself was third fastest. Rossi lapped faster than seasoned drivers Mark Webber, David Coulthard and Jarno Trulli [2]. On the final day of testing, Rossi was a half second behind Schumacher's best time [3]''

I think it would be fair to add that Rossi was driving a car with a detuned V10 engine, while most others - including Schumacher - the V8-version.

Not only was it the detuned V10, but it also had superior aerodynamics in the spoiler. It was by far and away the best car on that track.

I have removed the reference to Rossi losing the 2006 MotoGP championship from the Ferrari section as the implied chronology is was incorrect. Hopefully someone can write a better section on the end of the 2006 season. Puppeteer

Needs to be clarified
Quote from the article: ''At the end of the 2005 season, Valentino Rossi holds 79 Grand Prix victories which makes him the most successful rider of the Grand Prix series, surpassing legendary rider Giacomo Agostini. (not quite matched Agostini yet, soon...)''

So did he beat Agostini's record or not? If not, I don't think this remark "(not quite matched Agostini yet, soon...)" should be in the article. Wiki should deal with facts not predictions.

He's DEAD???
It says on his page that he died today! OH MY GOD!
 * Nah, he isn't dead...you've been tricked by a vandal. --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 11:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

He is not dead. He was on tv today. Being interviewed live after a race.

VALENTINO ROSSI
I do not care what anyone else says, rossi is the best! although he did not win the championship this year he got himself from 14th position to 2nd!!! that proves just how great he is! nicky hayden only won because he was on repsol honda, the greatest bike in the tournament,and rossi unfortunately fell. if nicky was on camel yamaha imagine where he would finish!!! Since the move to moto gp rossi has made great achievements: 7th reining world champion, a doctors award, he even proved, by the move from honda to yamaha that its the rider that makes it work, not the bike! he really is the greatest!! All you nicky hayden fans better watch out, next season rossi will be back and better than ever finishing the championship in 1st place and where will nicky be? Yes nicky hayden is a good rider but no where near as good as rossi! cant wait for the 2007 season to start....MISSIN YOU ROSSI XXXXXXX Valesbigestfan 13:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)written by Alice Brown age 14––vales biggest fan

rally results
just added the new zealand rally results, he finished 11th place, unsure whether or not i needed to link to a website with the results or not though. Aragami 16:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
This article needs a good going over. The referencing style needs to be consistent, and the language needs some good copy editing. I'll aim to do this over he next few days so the article is better fitting a sporting legend. Ged UK (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've made a start. Hopefully I'll get hold of his autobiog over the weekend which I hope will help get rid of some of the fact tags. Ged UK (talk) 19:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Totally agree. I commend the original writer or writers for their efforts but this article does need to be cleaned up by someone who is proficient in English and will clearly separate facts from speculation. I've tried change the very poor translation of "Viva La Figa", which was posted as "Hooray for Pussy" to the correct translation of "Long Live Pussy." However, I don't know if my change will stick. "Hooray", or the more common "Hurray", is used either ironically or by children, and is reserved for cheering on sports teams, not in reference to women's private parts.

It's still on my list of things to do. Hopefully I'll get to it soon. Ged UK  07:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Tax Evasion
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SPORT/02/12/motor.rossi/index.html?eref=rss_latest this article says he's paying $27.6 million, not 35. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.16.229.39 (talk) 17:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * 35 million Euros, not dollars. Ged UK (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite
This needs a re-write. We all put our gloves and boots on this way, i.e. one after the other. It's extraordinarily difficult to do othwerwise. And then "he gets off the bike the same way"..er, as the gloves? "He also revealed in an interview with MotoGP.com that he always puts one boot on before the other, one glove on before the other, and he always gets on the bike the same way." Cthwaites (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)cthwaites

The whole article is a mess. It's (still) on my list of things to do, as it was several months ago. I hope to get to it soon. --Ged UK (talk) 19:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's appalling and I've started a clean-up and identifying the many, many POVs in it, mostly harmless but needing facts.bigpad (talk) 23:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Error in Earnings
According to the reference given, Rossi is 7th on the list of international sportsmen in terms of earnings, this fails to take into account the American athletes, which can be found by clicking a link at the bottom of the page.

By looking at the 2 lists, Rossi is in fact twelfth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecomicrelief (talk • contribs) 18:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The data has changed I think, as in it's been updated for a new year. Update the page, be bold! --Ged (talk) 18:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Valentino, FELICITACIONES GREAT RACE. That was my first time en motoGP i never see somethign about it before, that is great. Now you get a new fan from Colombia-USA. I hope meet in person with you some time.

MARTIN CHALARCA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.70.166.253 (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, welcome to wikipedia then :) --Ged UK (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Viva la figa
I agree that this article needs a serious going over. I commend the original writer or writers for their efforts but this article ought to be cleaned up by someone who is proficient in English. I've tried to change the very poor translation of "Viva La Figa", which was posted as "Hooray for Pussy" to the correct translation of "Long Live Pussy." ie: Long LIV. "Hooray" is normally used either ironically or by children, and is reserved for cheering on sports teams, not in reference to women's private parts. The Italian word "Viva" literally translates into "long life" or "good life" and "Long live" is the accepted and established translation. thx, sychobike

8 wc not 9
excuse me but he has not yet won this year's title, as it says in the box. simmer down eh? 121.91.15.44 (talk) 14:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * He has now.--Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 22:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

First in all time Pole positions in Premier Class?.
I note that Valentino Rossi holds a record for gaining most pole positions with 58...in Premier class! That's incorrect! Should be in fact 48. Afterall he certainly does hold a record for that in ALL classes in MotoGP! (125cc, 250cc and Premier class.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunterbfh (talk • contribs) 20:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, good point, I've taken it out, as I don't have Doohan's lower class info to hand (did he even ride in them?) Ged  UK  08:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Doohan went straight to 500cc from Australian Superbike (with a handful of World Superbike wildcard spots). Manning (talk) 09:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. I glanced through his wiki page, but we all know Wikipedia's not a reliable source! Ged  UK  10:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I was speaking from memory, but a glance at an old copy of AMCN confirmed it. (AMCN = Australian Motorcycle News magazine). Also as the 125/250 cc culture never really ever got established here in Australia, most international riders come up through Superbike ranks (Stoner being the most obvious exception). Manning (talk) 13:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Similar in teh UK really; the current (excellent) crop of 125 riders are the first generation we've had for a while, compared to Superbikes and superstock etc. Ged UK  21:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All of Doohan's 58 pole positions were in premier class, this can be confirmed by searching the statistics in motogp.com statistics page and also from Doohan's motogp.com profile. Therefore this puts Rossi's 48 pole positions second in premier class pole positions, just behind Doohan. I also find this news from crash.net that support this fact, but this news item wouldn't be updated regularly, so there is no point to cite this page in the article as it's gonna be outdated when the next race completed. — Martin tamb (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

records
I think one record is false, the "Wins with Yamaha" isn't 47 but it has to be 46. Equal to the number on the bike (see the movie fastest)

I think some records are missing here.

one of that I could think of is: -Valentino has been a rookie of the year in every class he has taken part (namely: 125, 250, 500, MotoGP, but the last two only counts as one).

now the question before editing the article is: is he the only one or other riders have accomplished the same? anyone can help here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucio7 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * MotoGP are considered as a replacement of 500cc, therefore Rossi wasn't a rookie in 2002 when the MotoGP class started (see the 2002 entry list and he was not listed as a competitor for Rookie of the year, Daijiro Kato won the Rookie of the year instead). Also I'm not sure whether he won the 125cc Rookie of the year in 1996. He only finished 9th in overall standing and there is a possibility that there are other rookies that finish ahead of him. There is not enough details on the 1996 season in the archive results on motogp.com. You would need a better reference to supports this record, before inserting it to the article. — Martin tamb (talk) 08:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * In detail research of the MotoGP website's final standings. Pre 1996:


 * Would still need an external source. Cs-wolves  (talk)  17:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes indeed, you are right, motoGP doesn't count as a replacement of 500CC.

But still, about 125CC, I remember that time ago I cheched all the 8 riders here on Wikipedia that finished in front of him and noticed that none of them was at his first season.

That, if the Rookie of the Year award was already in place, made him Rookie of the Year. So, in this case, he's been Rookie of the Year in all the classes. Even in case he's not the only one having been Rookie of the Year in all classes, I think him being Rookie of the Year in each class should deserve a place in the record section.

What do you think people?

Lucio7 (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

June 2010 accident?
Hi guys! Nothing about the accident that will cost him the chance of winning the 2010 title? 121.247.68.245 (talk) 00:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Superstitions?
Hi everyone. What the article tells at the moment are things which I really couldn't call superstitions. So, he watches the red lights in the 125cc start - I'd say thats an intelligent move for estimating when his own starting light will turn green. So, he has a special way of getting on and off his bike - That reminds me strongly of what I once read in a kyudo primer: You want to switch your mind into fully focused performance mode by a fixed ritual which symbolizes leaving the regular world behind for a while. This view also seems to me strongly reflected in Rossi's quotation. So, he does some strange stretching moves while going down pit lane - but the article itself says this is mainly for adjusting his leathers. Unless someone can add any rites of a more unscientific or magical nature, I would suggest replacing "Superstition" with "Odd Ritual" or something along those lines. --BjKa (talk) 21:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Time to split the article?
It's getting rather long now, running to 80+kbs, which is more than recommended. I would suggest that we split out the statistics and records into another article, something like List of Valentino Rossi's results and records. I know this is quite unusual for a sportsperson, but Rossi's longevity and achievements are bigger than any other rider I can think of bar Ago.

Roger Federer has separate articles List of career achievements by Roger Federer and Roger Federer career statistics (indeed he has separate articles Roger Federer in 2003, Roger Federer in 2004 through to Roger Federer in 2010 though I'm not suggesting we go that far as yet).

Thoughts? Ged UK  12:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think a split it is unusual for an exceptional sportsperson who has a lot of records and achievements. I've seen several basketball player articles has a separate page for career achievements (such as Michael Jordan). But I don't think there is an urgent need to split this article, because the "readable prose" size is still under 50kb (without the stats and the records). Michael Schumacher's article looks similar to this article. Combining a really long prose and a lot of statistics, but it still looks good and passed GAN. I think the problem with this article is the records section which is too long, messy and unreadable. Some records may even be outdated and some of them are unsourced. I've rearranged those records to a table, added references, and deleted the "second in .." entries which aren't really records that he holds. — Martin tamb (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea, go for the split. The kb limit is designed to allow accessibility for readers with slow connections, you'd be doing them a favour. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 17:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the records section is a bit weird. For example "consecutive championship titles with different constructors" is not really his record, Lawson did it first (1988 title with Yamaha, 1989 with Honda). "Championship titles with different engine displacement" IMO that's a bit of stretch, yes he won with the 3 different engine displacement but that was helped by the regulations changing. "Consecutive wins with Yamaha" 11 in 2005 and 2008? I am not sure what exactly does that mean in 2005 he won 5 consecutive races and in 2008 5 as well. Dr. Loosmark  17:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the "Consecutive wins with Yamaha" record, I made an error there. About the shared records, there are notes explaining those, but they may not seem very clear. I agree that some records are weird and not really notable, but I just rewrote what's been there before. Feel free to delete any weird and non-notable records or to revert to the previous Records format. Anyway, we should really get back to the split idea rather than the records. Just to clarify, I don't oppose the split idea. I just think it is not really necessary at this point. — Martin tamb (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Schumacher's article is over 140k, which is way too big in my opinion, but that's a separate issue! I think the records table is a vast improvement on what was there before, though it's barely made any difference to the overall page size. I've made a test copy of the records page at User:Ged UK/rossirecords and it runs to 34 kb (with a lead etc to come) which would make this article 47-48 or thereabouts, which is better. Ged  UK  20:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll vote for a split. We can expect at least another two years of results and items, especially with rule changes due in 2012, splitting now would be sensible.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, as of today I don't think there are many people left with a 56Kb, so the smaller size to help the slow connections, I don't really know how much should it weigh in the decision. But maybe I have no idea about slow connections around the world. Personally, I think it's more convenient to have the record page in the main article. But as I say that's just me. The advantage about the split would be that it would probably give a boost to fill it with more information. I think some of the records are missing and when I will have enough time it would be entertaining for me looking for them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucio7 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

New External links
I tried to add two official links (managed personally by Rossi), but a Bot has deleted them after three minutes. I listed them here: https://twitter.com/#!/ValeYellow46 http://www.youtube.com/user/ValeYellow461 --Ale.rusconi (talk) 10:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You should know that neither Twitter nor You Tube are acceptable as reliable sources. That's why they were deleted. And will most ikely be deleted again, even from this talk page. --Falcadore (talk) 11:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Punk Band Song Tribute to Valentino Rossi
Punk Band Song Tribute to Valentino Rossi http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3755/punk-band-song-tribute-to-valentino-rossi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.149.42 (talk) 10:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If the band were notable (e.g. if they had an article on Wikipedia) then it might be worthy of mention, but the band does not have a Wikipedia article and the song doesn't seem to have received much coverage. --Biker Biker (talk) 11:48, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Personal life: mistake
Italy is not an Iberian country, as text says. The only two Iberian countries are Spain and Portugal. Probably author wanted to say: "two Mediterranean" contries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelangelo BC (talk • contribs) 17:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2015
valintino rossi has also been in 4 movies hitting the apex, faster, fastest, and torrente 5. and in all 4 he appears more than 1 time.

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Protect the page
How to protecting page Valentino Rossi? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alberto Navarro (talk • contribs) 09:44, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
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Career
There is information that is not cited in the 2016 portion of the article so I added a little bit of information to add to the very beginning of the paragraph. I plan to look for the information that is not cited and find a source for it and also add a photograph. §

Splitted paragraph Return to Yamaha before and after 2019. I have been fair with titles. Wispyrainon (talk) 10:02, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no point separating 2013–2020 into 2013–2018 and 2019–2020. It's the same team. Engr. Smitty   Werben 10:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not the same rider. Wispyrainon (talk) 10:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? You're being disruptive. Stop it. Engr. Smitty   Werben 10:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Vale
The nicknames section is missing the short form for Valentino, "Vale", which is pretty common for Rossi. -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 11:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Could not be done as nickname is not allowed for motorbike racers. Itcouldbepossible (Talk) (Contributions) (Log) 07:16, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:GOCE drive
For information, this article falls within the remit of WP:GOCE and I will be doing a copyedit over the next few days. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The GOCE work is complete now. The main issues were grammar and excessive WP:OLINK. I still have reservations about some of the wording and phraseology, especially where repeated across several racing seasons, but I think that is outside the scope of GOCE as the narrative is using the sport's own terminology.
 * The article is certainly too long and I think it should somehow be WP:SPLIT. I can't suggest where or how, but WP:TOOBIG recommends a split if an article has a readable prose size of over 15,000 words, and this one has 22,000. I think there is too much detail about each season as you are constantly reading that he retired from this race, won that one, got a podium place here, didn't get one there, etc. It is a collection of individual events and incidents which needs cohesion into a readable whole by summarising each year and restricting race details to those in which there was a particular highlight or an especially controversial incident.
 * I've removed the GOCE and copyedit banners. PearlyGigs (talk) 16:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)