Talk:Valley of Mexico

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I have coordinates for the valley from the source I named as Lafragua. However, I do not know how to integrate them into the article. It did not seem right to put them in the body. The coordinates are between parallels 19º03’36” and 20º11’24” North and 98º12’00” and 99º31’12” West. Thanks Thelmadatter (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, the coordinate system doesn't allow for ranges, but I've added the coords for about the centre of the range you've given. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Blofeld
Intro - "a small gap to the north where there are no high peaks" - needs rewording small gap sounds out of place The Bald One       White cat 11:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

INtro- "Geologically, it consists of three parts, but somehwat confusingly you then state that, "The Valley of Mexico can be subdivided into four basins", but the largest and best-studied is the area which contains Mexico City itself. Could you please make this clearer?


 * I think I managed it. I wish we could steal the diagram that is in the Lafregua reference (#4) and then indicate where the lakebed is. In the other three basins, its just piedmont and mountains with no water accumulation (it all goes to the largest section of the valley. Ill ask the BF (a graphic designer) if he'd be interested in creating a new version of that diagram.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. It would also be a good idea to stub the articles which are red linked as this also imporves the article appearance. Its a good looking article, I'll read the lower sections laterbut from what I gather should be well on its way with only minor edits needed now. The Bald One      White cat 16:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Organization of article
I find it odd that the inhabitation of the valley was moved over and above the general description of it.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

History generally becomes before geography in wikipedia articles. Usually it relies on the intro to understand where it is first so it isn't as if there is no context. The Bald One       White cat 17:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

‘Just after the conquest, disease and violence had decreased the population in the valley’

A decrease of the population due to Old World diseases was already occurring during the actual battles between the Aztecs and armies that were in many instances comprised primarily of members of other native nations. The ravages of these diseases was in all likelihood responsible for far more deaths than actual warfare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.107.76 (talk) 01:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Good article nomination critique
Some thoughts on this article: I do think that some major and excellent work has brought this important article to its present level, but it requires some further polishing and work before it could be categorized as a Good Article. I'll try to help, but am tied up with non-WP work nowadays. Thanks, Madman (talk) 06:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The lead paragraph starts by saying where it's located. This goes against the Manual of Style which says: "The article should begin with a short declarative sentence, answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: "What (or who) is the subject?" and "Why is this subject notable?""
 * The reference ""Mexico City: Opportunities and Challenges for Sustainable Management of Urban Water Resources" is used nearly 30 times, particularly for some rather controversial statements such as "Around 2,000 years ago, the Valley of Mexico became one of the world’s most densely populated areas and has remained so since" and other statements dealing with the pre-Columbian population. I would suggest that this paper is not the best source for pre-Columbian population or other matters, since the focus of the paper, and presumably the expertise of the authors, is on water management, not history or archaeology.  It is also disturbing that we don't even know who the authors are.
 * The statement "In the early 8th century, with the rise of the Toltec empire, Teotihuacan ceased to be a major urban centre and the population shifted to Tollan or Tula on the northern front of Valley of Mexico." implies to me at least that the Toltec empire caused the decline of Teotihuacan, which is not necessarily the case.
 * The headings seem to be inconsistently sized.
 * There are broken parentheses and square brackets and some rather clumsy wordings throughout.


 * I'd also add, that nowadays the description of a "Toltec empire" has little currency in modern scholarship, the whole toltec concept has undergone considerable review. I think the article as a whole is pretty good, but the precolumbian history bit could use some more polishing. Unfortunately like Madman my time's limited ATM, but if I do manage to free some up over the next couple weeks will see if I can help out. --cjllw ʘ  TALK 04:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just added a proper lead paragraph per the Manual of Style. I still find the now-second paragraph to be rather confusing.  Madman (talk) 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Real Life
Unfortunately, real life has gotten in the way... more work and health issues. It is not possible for me to address these issues in any timely way, if at all.Thelmadatter (talk) 01:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal for Anahuac (Aztec)

 * oppose the merging of Anahuac (Aztec) into Anahuac Valley (which happens to redirect to here). The two are not one and the same thing, see reasons and detailing of the various meanings/uses of Anahuac in postclassic/post-conquest central Mexico, previously discussed at Talk:Anahuac. --cjllw ʘ  TALK 07:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * oppose They are not the same thing, Valley of Mexico is about the geographic region. Anahuac is a cultural/historic entity. They should link to one another though.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Recent page move from Valley of Mexico to Mexico Valley
User:Craftdraw recently moved this page from Valley of Mexico to Mexico Valley. While I agree that Mexico Valley is, strictly speaking, better grammatically, it does not accurately reflect common English-language usage in reliable sources.

As an example, I ran both terms through Google scholar.

Mexico Valley got 1170 hits, while Valley of Mexico got 17100 hits. Straight Google got 354000 hits for Valley of Mexico, while Mexico Valley got 34600 results. Given that both academic and common usage overwhelmingly favour Valley of Mexico, I propose that the page be moved back. Simon Burchell (talk) 10:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Given that Craftdraw is indefinitely blocked, I'll go ahead and move the page back. Simon Burchell (talk) 11:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 14 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved. No brainer: Clearly the common name, and moved only recently by blocked editors and sockpuppets. Will require a little clean-up to get back where it was. — kwami (talk) 02:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC) — kwami (talk) 02:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Mexico Valley → Valley of Mexico – Valley of Mexico is the common name, see talk page. Simon Burchell (talk) 19:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Strongly favor: this is clearly the common name and the multiple attempts to move to "Mexico Valley" (for which there is NO common use) are tiresome.Keizers (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Red Slash 00:19, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


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