Talk:Vampire literature/Archive 1

Merge ?
The article Vampire has a long section titled "Vampires in fiction". Probably should either be merged here or this merged there?Ortolan88

Forking accusation
An editor recently deleted a whole section of this article and then in a recent revert to delete it again he claimed that it was a fork file... Sorry, but he was already told on the other article that his moving it back there was actually the fork, now he just turns around and tries to use the same argument to justify himself here. His edit comments have also been abusive, and from his unsourced inaccurate additions to the content on Vampire it is clear that he does not have an accurate knowledge of the topic. I must ask him to stop his abusive edits and read up on both vampires in general (real books, not some RPG or whereever he gets his bizarre information from) and also Wikipedia policies. DreamGuy 19:35, July 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * DreamGuy blanked a whole section of the Vampire article claiming it was a fork, when the information was forked to here and is clearly more relevant over there since it covers more than just modern European Vampire fiction. My apologies that you all have to put up with that abusive nincompoop.Existentializer 19:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * No, I removed a section that was duplicated here. It was a fork. Not to mention that 90%+ of that section is completely fictional. It is a list of comparison to the novel Dracula and most of the traits are not features of the actual folklore, contrary to the unsourced claims of this editor. "Abusive nincompoop" should give you a clue about who the real abusive person here is, as his comments in the edit notes and here are littered with insults and inaccurate information. DreamGuy 19:52, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Again, my sincere apologies that you are being forced to deal with this abusive nincompoop who does not understand the concept of modern folklore.Existentializer 19:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I am a professional member of the American Fokllore Association and clearly understand the concept far better than you. Created fiction is not folklore. It's not even close. Please stop tossing out insults and claims to knowledge you do not have. DreamGuy 20:07, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yawwnn. Stepping past your bullshit, you have been invited to work within consensus instead of randomly pulling things apart. I suggest you start operating in good faith. IF you have the knowledge you claim to have (entirely doubtful or you would spend your time helping clean up the section instead of trying to hide it) then you ought to have something beyond deletions to contribute.Existentializer 20:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Blocked, blocked, blocked and protected
It should be noted that User:Existentializer has been blocked for a year as a sockpuppet of an editor previously banned for highly abusive edits, including false claims of vandalism. It should also be noted that the person who showed up later to make the same reverts with the same comments after he was banned, User:Ni-ju-Ichi, has also been banned for the same year after the people running the software verified that he was a sockpuppet of the banned User:Existentializer. And User:Gabrielsimon got blocked today as well for his 9th or 10th violation of the 3RR, though he'll probably be back before a year... but the way his RfC and pending RfA are going, he may not be around much longer after that.

Can those of us who are actually here, not sockpuppets and not blocked just agree that the fiction stuff belongs in the fiction article so we can get the articles unprotected? DreamGuy 07:26, August 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, alright... Well, once the admins saw that all the people on one side of the dispute were all blocked, they went and unprotected the article, so we should be good now, provided a new sockpuppet doesn't come along or so forth. DreamGuy 23:43, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

merge?
merge this article with Vampire and a lot of headaches will go away. -Gabrielsimon 04:18, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

this article could easily be merged into Vampire as a separate section. -Gabrielsimon 05:10, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * This article was created from two or three other articles and more are waiting to merge into it, there's no way at all that this would all fit on the main Vampire page, especially as that one is ALREADY almost twice as large as the recommended article length when the disputed Strengths and Weaknesses section (which is supposed to be in this one butkeeps going missing due to edit warring) is in it. Adding all this info to the main article just does not make sense. And this was already discussed on the Vampire page earlier as a necessary move, and it parallels what was done with Werewolf and Werewolves in fiction. Mergin is simply not a reasonable option. -DreamGuy 05:32, August 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * a lot of articlesare bigger then reccomended ize, i still think thathissarticle wouldbe best merged with Vampire. -Gabrielsimon 05:39, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Against. this is a clearly large subtopic which deserves its own page. --Quiddity 20:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge of Vampire films
Comment. is the vampire films page deserving of its own page? and is that page in its current state suitable for wikipedia? i think it might be, on both counts, if it gets expanded and sources better referenced. i'm currently weak against vote for merge. --Quiddity 20:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I did the original page, & I'm happy with it here. I only intended it as a start; most of those are films I've seen. Some of it is from reviewers' comments (but I didn't have my Ebert guide handy...). One comment: "Forever Knight" predates "BTVS" slightly; wasn't it released 1991? Trekphiler 06:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

a separate vampire comics page?
Would it be ok if there was a List_of_vampire_comics wikipage? --EarthFurst 20:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Glorification in current movies?
Hello everyone,

Just to let you know, I've used, but never edited or contributed, to Wikipedia. In light of this, please just ignore my noobishness here if I make a stupid mistake in my thought process.

Anyway, I noticed that recently (the past twenty years or so) that vampires in movies have become less and less villans and more of the heros. Movies like Blade (although he's not a full vampire), Interview with a Vampire, and Underworld (I'm sure there are more, I just can't think of them) show the vampires as the stories main protaganist. I also thought it was interesting that in each of these movies the vampires are rebelling against their society to some degree.

Well, I thought it would be an interesting idea to perhaps make a small addition relating to this. Right now, this is all just a passing thought with no real evidence. I know original research is prohibited at wiki, but if I find a few respectable articles related to the subject do you think it would be alright to work on this?

Like I said, I'm a complete newbie at this. It's probably obvious to people who read this that my style of writing isn't exactly encycopedia material, but I would work to adjust to the different style.

Thanks for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.146.135 (talk)
 * Roald Dahl's Big Friendly Giant abducts a girl, but is the only giant not eating children. With inspiration of the little girl he abducted, he ends up telling the queen about the bad giants. He becomes famous and they get thown into a hole. -62.206.74.156 07:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Non-supernatural means of flight
"Sometimes this power is supernatural, other times it is connected to the vampire's ability to turn into flying creatures"

Apparently turning into flying creatures is not supernatural? Shinobu 15:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, by supernatural, I think it means just floating in the air and flying without wings. Voicingmaster 07:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Monster in My Pocket
I have deleted this, as, whatever the merits of the information which could be gleaned from it, its meaning is somewhat unclear and the editor seems to have taken no care to dovetail what he has written with the rest of this section. More care needed!:


 * Vampire is Monster in My Pocket #33, and Vampiress (in the 2003 incarnation said to be his sister; their relationship was unclear in the comic) is #36. In the comic book by Dwayne McDuffie, he was the leader of the good monsters, looely modeled on Professor X, and he was one of the player-controlled monsters in the video game. In both animated series, he became a villain (and grew hair). Vampiress did not appear in the 1992 special, but she was one of the good monsters in the 2003 series, and tried to convince Vampire to join her side). In the comics, Vampire was said to have been an English nobleman who was the victim of Count Dracula. Vampiress's origin was unclear, but she got very annoyed when he went after the blood of young women, though his bite was roughly like that of a mosquito. His attempts to hypnotize people usually did not work in his reduced state. He often used his ability to become mist, occasionally a bat. Ability to become a wolf was mentioned but never clearly shown. In both comic and game, he was able to walk about during the day (but of course preferred night), and he apparently needed to consume conventional food in addition to blood, or else he was just being a good leader when he went looking.

Colin4C 15:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Nosferatu
The following: "The landmark Nosferatu (1922 Germany, directed by Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau) was an unlicensed version of Dracula based so closely on Bram Stoker's Dracula, the estate sued and won, with all copies being destroyed. (It would be painstakingly restored in 1994 by a team of European scholars from the five surviving prints.)" is contradicted by the article on the film itself. I don't think it could possibly be correct, as I saw the film in the cinema in 1983! Okay maybe I saw one of those five prints, but I think it more likely that the Nosferatu article has it correct.

Steve Lowther 00:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Vampire characters in fiction
Hi, I started a list of actual vampire characters over at List of vampires, as I couldn't find the vampire information that I wanted on Wikipedia. It has already been tagged for deletion. Wikipedia already has a List of fictional witches, List of magicians in fantasy, and others, so I think it is a valid addition. I'm new to Wikipedia so should I try to merge the List of vampires article into this one, should it be kept, or should it just be deleted. I know it's very sparse at the moment, but I just put down some placeholder info, and I think it just needs a bit of work to become quite comprehensive. Chris r reynolds 19:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you should keep it as a separate article Chris. This article is way too long as it is and IMHO would benifit from being split up into two or more separate articles, not merged with anything else...Colin4C 10:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Vampires The Turning
Vampires The Turning is most definitely not a sequel to John Carpenter's Vampires or John Carpenter Presents Vampires Los Muertos. John Carpenter's name isn't anywhere in it and it contradicts the John Carpenter movies on several points. In the John Carpenter movies, vampires originated 600 years ago, when the Catholic Church performed an inverse exorcism on Valek using the Berziers Cross, accidentally turning him into the first vampire. In The Turning, as I understand it, there was a race of vampires living in Thailand who only fed on animal blood. 800 years ago, one of them broke her vows and attacked a human in a moment of rage and all her progeny also fed on human blood. In the John Carpenter movies, a person bitten by a vampire will turn into a vampire in a few days. In The Turning a person bitten by a vampire can resist turning into a vampire indefinitely (although this is painful) or embrace the curse which will turn them instantly into a vampire. In the John Carpenter movies when the original vampire is destroyed, the other vampires stay as they are. In The Turning when the original vampire is destroyed all vampires become mortal. I've edited the following pages: Vampire fiction, John Carpenter's Vampires, Vampires Los Muertos, and Vampires The Turning.

The Vampire Cinema
Seeing as this article is getting bigger and bigger what if we separated the film stuff here from the literature and put it into a separate article called 'Vampire Cinema'? Good idea? Colin4C 17:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * So nobody here minds if I put the film stuff into Vampire films?Colin4C 20:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Mirrors
I have removed the following unsourced claim from the article:

This is also derived from the fact that mirrors were once commonly backed with silver, and the silver refused to reflect the vampires as 'penance' for being the blood money given to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus of Nazaras.

This sounds more like a recent reverse-engineering of an explanation than anything from real folklore. This business about silver and Judas certainly does not appear in the novel Dracula, and the article claims that the idea that vampires do not have reflections originates with Stoker. If this explanation comes from some well-known work of fiction then it may be worth including in the article, but it's going to need a source. CKarnstein 06:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The Count
Any reason not to mention the Sesame Street character? Applejuicefool 22:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Vampire Films
Seeing as nobody responded to my above message I have moved all the film stuff to Vampire films Colin4C 20:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sailor Moon Musicals
I noticed that nothing on the Sailor Moon Musical Vampire arc was mentioned, it was a series of 4 Musicals from winter 2000- spring 2001.Yayamaya 02:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Spanish vampire
Is published in Spain something vampire novels: ESTRUCH (1991), Transylvania Express, writes for Salvador Sáinz. He write also anothers tales about this vampire, the Count Estruc, ESTRUC'S RING, ESTRUC'S GUEST, STRIGOÏACA, ESTRUC'S DAUGHTERS (Published in Weird Tales, Madrid)

Vampire Literature
Just to say that this article is about vampire literature. Any info concerning films should be put in Vampire films. Colin4C 19:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't "My sister the Vampire" an article? That's a new series, though.  Megan :)  03:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Traits of Vampires in Fiction
In reference to material added to this section of the article: just to reiterate that this article is about written fiction, not films, though I guess we might include traits of literary vampires which were influenced by film vampires...And maybe this section is too long? There is no great mystery or mileage to be made out of vampire traits IMHO....Colin4C 10:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Literature or Taxonomy?
Should this article be about literature or vampire taxonomy? Just thinking that the story should be the most important thing in a novel not the taxonomy of the various fantasy creatures who might appear in it...Colin4C 20:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Other supernatural abilities.
Things that I always thought when referring to vampires that aren't listed: Strength, speed, mind-clouding, heightened hearing and smell, telepathy, telekinesis, dream walking, cloaking (and/or teleportation? - altogether, or just a short period of time to quickly get away from a situation, such as the arrival of dawn; I'm not entirely sure how long the duration of that ability is), and night vision. Is there any sufficient reference for any of these to put them onto the list? Scriptdaemon 00:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)