Talk:Van

CARavan = origin of the word 'car'?
Article says: "The word van is a shortened version of the word caravan which originally meant a covered vehicle." Very interesting.

So now I'm wondering whether the other end of the word became 'car' for automobile. Does anyone have a great grandmother born around 1902 to ask? -- Parsiferon 00:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Car comes from carriage. Graemec2 10:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "car" comes from the Old French language "carre" of Celtic origin. The "motorcar" or "automobile" only arrived in the 1890s. Before that road trasport used horses as motive power.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

In British English, 'car' is a derivative of motor-car, itself derived from motor-carriage (cf horseless carriage). Douglasson (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

More than 4 wheels?
Are we quite sure there's nothing that would be called a van that might have six wheels?? --JohnOwens 11:36 Oct 11, 2002 (UTC)


 * Who's counting? The page says 'generally' because I am sure there are also 3 wheeled ones as well as 6 wheeled :-) &mdash;the preceding unsigned comment is by Gingerpig2000 (talk &bull; contribs)
 * there were definately 3 wheeled vans (see pic). Not sure about a 6 wheeler. It partly depends on when you think van ends and truck/lorry begins. Plugwash 02:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There certainly have been six-wheeled vans, notably the Citroen CX-derived FGV used for newspaper distribution by the International Herald Tribune. I've also seen a six-wheeled Citroen XM-based van, parked outside a Citroen specialist garage in South Woodford in the latter half on the 1990s. Mr Larrington (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Australia
Removed the bit about australia, simply isnt true.


 * I have added a new section on Australia. The above isn't signed or dated, and I couldn't see anything about Australia in the revision history, so I don't know what was deleted. --Bass hound 08:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Requested move
Van (road vehicle) → Van – Since Van almost always means the vehicle, and what 99% of the ambiguous uses of Van on Wikipedia are talking about (see Van (disambiguation):What links here), then it should be the main article. This has been discussed briefly on Talk:Van (disambiguation). Currenlty, Van redirects to Van (disambiguation) which is bad convention, and Van (vehicle) points to Van (road vehicle), and "(road vehicle)" is bad convention, too.

I will be more than happy to fix the links from "Van (road vehicle)" to "Van" with a box or popup-assisted thingy. I'll then put in a request to delete "(vehicle)" and "(road vehicle)" articles. &mdash;Camaro96 06:22, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Voting

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 * Support Common Usage. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose — see below. --Gareth Hughes 18:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Much more common than any other use.  Da Gizza  Chat (c) 23:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Van (disambiguation) has a number of important articles (Van, Turkey, Lake Van, Van Province, vanguard, Vanir, van (Dutch), boxcar and caboose) in it that may be linked to from other articles. I suggest that the dab page be moved to van instead: disambiguation is more important when there are a number of serious contenders for the page. --Gareth Hughes 18:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Result
Moved. WhiteNight T 01:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

United Kingdom
The article doesn't make it clear that the word van here in the UK never refers to a passenger vehicle such as a people-carrier. It says we generally refer to minivans as people-carriers or MPVs, but it doesn't say we wouldn't call them vans. We would also never call a minibus a van.

Even if a few people have picked up on the American usage, I think it would be fair to at least say 'In British English, the term van isn't usually applied to passenger vehicles, rather it is restricted to vehicles that carry goods.'--Jcvamp 19:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Image Request: Vans in the U.S.A.
I don't see any pictures of full size U.S. or even midsize vans. A van in the U.S. usually doesn't have a seperate cab and cargo area and the engine compartment is inside the cabin area requiring a "doghouse" to cover it.
 * I might be able to provide this information.... --Ahanix1989

Minivan vs. Conversion Van Options?
The current article states:  "By comparison with full sized vans, they get good gas mileage, do not require overheight parking, have comfortable flexible seating accommodations such as folding middle or 3rd row seats, lowering windows on passenger doors on left and right side, power hatch, and video screen options."

However, folding seats and video screen options are increasingly common in full sized conversion vans (We can safely say for the conversion vans, because the paragraph is referring to passenger vehicles, not cargo). While it is true that many minivans have those little 7" LCD screens... my family owns two conversion vans; one with a 13" CRT tv, and one with a 15" lcd, and both have folding rear seats

Vehicle height info should include VAN heights
I have moved the following from the prior 'Criticism' section because it doesn't actually say anything about, uh, Vans. If someone can provide average van heights and verify the other vehicle info then it could be useful to merge this back into 'Alternatives' (which now has the text about wind resistance due to vehicle height). --Parsiferon 00:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Average heights are for:
 * Minivans 70.2 in
 * Family sedans 57.3 in
 * SUVs 70.7 in

English
In British English, this now has a similar meaning to the U.S. terms travel trailer or recreational vehicle (RV).

I'd like to see a source for this. - FrancisTyers · 08:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

In the British transport industry, 'van' can be used for larger vehicles constructed as a largely rectangular shell, eg box-van or even articulated box trailers with solid sides (as distinct from tanks or tilts (curtain-siders)).

'Van' is also used to refer to several types of trailer, including a caravan (touring or static), a workvan (mobile workshop) or crew accommodation, but not to the US 'recreational vehicle', which we would call a motorhome. Douglasson (talk) 18:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

'Morris Minor Van'-picture incorrect
The 'Morris Minor van'-picture accompanying this article actually shows a Morris half-ton van series MCV. The latter was similar in style to the former, but larger in dimensions. A quick look at details, such as the position of the fuel filler cap, the shape of the back wheel-arch, the bonnet shut-lines and the shape of the radiator-grill give the van's identity away, without having to determine it's size. The van in this picture was based on a car called 'Morris Oxford' and could alternatively be called 'Morris Cowley'. I took the liberty of renaming the picture and decided to allow myself to use the more popular 'Morris Oxford van'-moniker. There is a 'Morris Oxford'-article on Wikipedia and the picture now automatically links to that page, although the picture itself is still named 'Morris Minor van' (I don't log-on). The same picture is to be found accompanying that article, by the way.

The vans by manufacturer list
I think it is a long enough list to be in its own article and should be removed from here and a link to its own article added. What do you think?


 * I wholeheartedly agree. I'm too lazy to doo the split, but I'm not sure it's even necessary. A List of Vans would probably have to be started from scratch anyway and a list isn't needed as part of this article at all. The vans mentioned in the text are relevant examples and more than enough. — Mütze 13:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Alternatives
The "alternatives" section is blatant OR and speculation "well, you COULD do this…". I am inclined to remove it unless there is a good reason to keep it. --Sable232 18:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say remove it... for one thing, just how 'lately' is the CNG/E85 option available? I know my '96 had a CNG option... and this section seems to say "Well, you could get a van... or you could by a Toyota Prious.  Or a Safari.  Or, you could buy a Grand Am, and steal a U-Haul trailer"  Ahanix1989 16:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

December10thRevisions
Numerous revisions to United States section done. I rewrote the minivan section, due to this: However, minivans are usually distinguished by their smaller size (190 to 200 in long), unibody architecture, and front wheel drive powertrains. Minivans have essentially replaced the large family station wagon, many luxury family sedans, and short wheelbased full-size vans that do not require extreme volume, towing, or passengers beyond 7. By comparison with full sized vans, they get good gas mileage, do not require overheight parking, have comfortable flexible seating accommodations such as folding middle or 3rd row seats, lowering windows on passenger doors on left and right side, and power hatch.

My full-size '96 Ram Van is unibody, gets up to 21mpg, no overheight parking, folding seats (that can easily be removed), etc...  these are just features of certain models, not an absolute truth for all minivans, and many also exist for the full-size vans. LOLHI   IM   AHANIX

GB English: furniture van
The intro about the size of a van in British usage seems wrong to me. What about furniture vans, which are very large and bear no relation whatever to the size of passenger cars? APW (talk) 12:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - In UK usage, a pantechnicon is commonly referred to as a removals van or furniture van, normal GVW would be up to 28 tons although I suspect that there could be 3-axle versions with heavier ratings. Douglasson (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

newbury comics
Is the Newbury Comics van really necessary for display in the examples section? It looks to me like advertising for company and there are so many other images available.

The image in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NewburyComicsVanHarvardSq.jpg 24.129.235.74 (talk) 23:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Usage of term "Van" in the United States.
The first Paragraph describes a Box Truck, typified by Uhaul Trucks and local delivery trucks, they are medium-duty cargo carriers with the trailer integrated onto the vehicle. No-one in the US calls that a Van. The second definition is incorrect as well, no-one calls any type of trailer a van.

I work in the Transportaion Industry, please have these terms corrected to avoid confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.30.198.158 (talk) 06:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Van, Turkey
This is a major city, significant for thousands of years, historic capital of an important ancient kingdom. It's a little silly to search for van and find a type of sutomobile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.35.50 (talk) 12:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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