Talk:Vantage Point (London)

'Brutalist'
- for [User:Echosmoke]: I'm no lover of Archway tower, but 'Brutalist' is incorrect. The latter commonly refers to buildings cast in raw concrete, which Archway tower isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.214.123 (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Brutalist architecture and change that first - i have readded brutalist for now. --Echosmoke (talk) 13:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

- ok, so not all Brutalist buildings are cast in raw concrete. However, the Brutalist architecture article (which I have no intention of changing, as it is informed and specific) says raw concrete is normal, and indeed that the name derives from this feature (in French, béton brut). A building may be 'brutalist' on other grounds, but Archway tower lacks any of the other features listed there and in other reference works as being characteristic of the style, such as 'striking repetitive angular geometries', 'the expression of its structural materials, forms, and services on its exterior', association with a utopian ideology. Furthermore, no book on Brutalism makes any mention of Archway Tower as belonging to this style. 138.253.64.173 (talk) 15:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It certainly doesn't look Brutalist from the photographs. Secretlady (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

loved? unloved?
Is the Archway tower really 'revered' by local residents? Shouldn't this say 'reviled' or 'unloved'? I seem to recall an opinion survey of residents being commissioned by Islington Council - perhaps the results are available somewhere and can be quoted? Robjac-uk 14:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed - I'm not sure it's really a classic piece of architecture either. Shall we change it to unloved? --Corington 17:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * defnitely unloved; http://knowhere.co.uk/3534_goodbad.html ;-)

NMA
Im too lazy to properly ref my addition; its based on the above link and an interview with Justin Sullivan (the singer of NMA) in House of Dolls Fanzine, 1989;

"A purpose built Social Security building off the Holloway Road in London. There are no doors between the 'clients' who have to go there and those who work there. The employees are escorted in by a security firm. The counter windows are made of bulletproof glass. The staff are under instructions to be as rude as possible. The place is the closest I've seen to a nightmare in real life. That to me represents an aspect of what England's becoming."

It was pretty definitely used for soc. sec., but since i have no hard evidence at hand i added "supposedly". feel free to change --Echosmoke (talk) 09:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"a noted North London eyesore"
Noted by whom? I call weasel words on this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.78.136 (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2017 (UTC)