Talk:Variants of the M113 armored personnel carrier

Obsolete?
"M113 w/ M8 turret- The Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN; South Vietnamese Army) fitted a small number of M113 armored personnel carriers with turrets taken from obsolete M8 Greyhound armored cars."

The M8 Greyhound may be old,but it is not obsolete. The capabilities of armoured Humvees are similar to that of the M8 Greyhound. Dudtz 11/3/06 8:16 PM ET
 * That's subjective. The M8 was removed from ARVN service precisely because it was viewed as obselete, and subsequently replaced with the XM706.  The overall capabilities of the vehicle might be comparitive, but its systems (radio, weapon, etc) are very much obselete, as are various elements of its construction. -- Thatguy96 01:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Gallery
Shouldn't pictures of variants be put next to the descriptions rather than dumped into a gallery? Bachcell (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As it was until March 31?  I missed that change.  I don't care for the gallery, but I'm not enthused about the previous layout either.  Ideas?  --—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  16:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My reason for changing it was because with so many variants and so many pictures it was progressing to the point where there was a picture every line. The way that had existed before that meant pictures didn't line up with variants.  I don't find the gallery personnaly objectionable, which is why I changed it. -- Thatguy96 (talk) 17:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So I went and changed it again. How do people find this compromise? -- Thatguy96 (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

NASA
NASA has at least two painted in emergency rescue colors. I couldn't determine what they were used for. I've some some telephoto shots of them. If anyone can tell me what they're for, I'll be happy to upload them. Rklawton (talk) 00:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's called an M113 Escape Vehicle (or something like that) Rklawton (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

MTVL
Can someone add info on the MTVL variant? 76.66.192.64 (talk) 10:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Australia, heaters removed
Simple really, it almost never gets cold enough in Australia to require the heaters. One less thing to go wrong. Certainly there are times when it gets cold enough that heaters would be nice, to preheat the crew space, but nowhere gets cold enough that their lack is life threatening.

Alexlaw65 (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus for any move. Ucucha 13:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Variants of the M113 armored personnel carrier → Derivatives of the M113 armored personnel carrier — Variants of the APC (M113 A1, A2, A3) should be split out to the current title. Relisted for further input. Jafeluv (talk) 13:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

—username 1 (talk) 19:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose instead use Variants and derivatives of the M113 armored personnel carrier. I see no reason to have two articles based on WP:SIZE. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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Minenwerferpanzer 64
I have removed the statement, that the installed 120mm mortar was a the French Thomson Brandt design. As a matter of fact, it was a Swiss design, designed and made by K+W Thun (Eidgenössische Konstruktionswerkstätte). I have also added the reference (Swiss Army Handbook of the Minenwerferpanzer 64), since the fact that I have served on these tank of course is not a valid reference. Unfortunately, this hand book is not available online, I got a paper copy at home though.

I will further investigate the statement: "Swiss M106A1's initially had substituted a Thompson Brandt mortar of 81mm type for the standard 4.2"/107mm M30 mortar found on US models." Simply because K+W Thun also designed 81mm mortars and these were used everywhere in Swiss Army (infantry, fortresses). So it would surprise me, if a Thomson Brandt model was used for the Minenwerferpanzer 64, although a Swiss design already introduced and widely used in Swiss Army was available since decades in 1964. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.140.87.214 (talk) 06:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * HIT APC Talha and Sakb.jpg

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A Beobachtungspanzer in Ukraine
Here's a video of a Beobachtungspanzer on the job in Ukraine. Not an adequate source for Wikipedia, but perhaps you armor geeks can find a better one. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 22:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Article issues

 * Classification: This article has been promoted to B-class by the WikiProject Trucks. A problem is that it fails the criteria (#1), The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited.
 * Images: Presenting pictures is a good thing and according to a source possibly necessary. Something like 62 pictures, however, jumps overboard into What Wikipedia is not. There is little doubt that some can be removed that would also reduce clutter. -- Otr500 (talk) 19:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Love
Re "with a reload time when under amour of 60 seconds." I'm not sure what it is meant to mean, could it be "with a reload time when under fire of 60 seconds." or "with a reload time when under armour of 60 seconds."  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  11:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)