Talk:Vauluisant Abbey

Vauluisant=Vallis Lucens
Abbé Chevin, Dictionnaire Latin-Français des Noms propres de Lieux ayant une certaine notoriété principalement au point de vue ecclésiastique et monastique (1897) gives "Vallis Lucens" in its index, and it's on a CD, but not within my grasp. Vallis Lucens: "shining valley" is not a very likely Frankish toponym, is it? and I suspect, though I've cautiously kept it out of the article, that it has been retained from the Gallo-Roman villa that must have been on this site [shrieks from the cheaper seats of "No Original Research! No Original Research!"] www.cistercensi.info offers, "Vallis Lucens"=Le Bouchet, at Courgenay (Yonne) which is simply where the Cistercian community has resettled in the Auvergne in modern times, so likely to cause confusion, and not a help for this article. "Vallis Lucensis" (genitive) denotes mss from Vauluisant, noted in Richard C. Kukula, "Die Mauriner Ausgabe des Augustinus" in Sitzungsberichte. Österreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften Philosophisch-Historische Klasse, 137 (1898:22). Ludwig Janauschek, Originum cisterciensium (Vindobonae) 1877, vol I. p. 16ff has material on Vauluisant, which would improve this article. And M. Cocheril, Dictionnaire des monastères Cisterciens, (Rochefort) 1976 should be checked too. --Wetman 05:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Vallis Lucens (genitive: Vallis Lucentis) is the Latin version of the name given to the place when the monks settled it. It's fairly standard for Cistercian abbeys of the time, and there's no need to posit that it derives from the Roman period. Come to think of it, the whole "Roman Villa" story sounds a little suspect -- considering that the head was "found" after most of the monastery was reduced to bricks, there's no guarantee that the head was displaced from its original site. The Cartulary was edited critically about ten years ago, by W. Duba (The Cartulary of Vauluisant: a critical edition), published as a thesis at the University of Iowa; a version exists at the IRHT in Paris. DingerX (talk) 11:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)