Talk:Vavilov center

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The introduction of this article insists to much on natural factors explaining the preservation of genetic diversity, while human factors are also important. In situ and ex situ conservation are the appropriate term for the 1st paragraph. The former involves farmers, and not only natural landscapes. Pwjohnson (talk) 19:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Centre of Diversity and Centre of Origin
This article has almost exactly the same information as the article Center of diversity (although the numbering of the centres is the other way about).

IF there are to be two articles, the one called "Center of Diversity" should be about natural biodiversity, not just of domesticated plants and their near relatives. If not, then there should be only a single article on this subject. As it is, Center of origin is the better article, because it has a map, and also more detailed information about the plants. IMO, it would be better to have this article entitled "Vavilov Centres", because there are other things than domesticated plants which might have "centers of origin", but Vavilov Centre refers specifically to the geographical origins of plant domestication. 101.117.84.247 (talk) 00:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ouch, I came here via a link to "center of diversity" on the jasmine article, and this is definitely not what was meant. Also, this article is very repetitive and not very well-written. Such a pity.


 * I agree that it should be called Vavilov Centers, and that Center of diversity should be explained somewhere. Huw Powell (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

This page should definitely not be called centers of origin. It is hopelessly out of date and contradicted by numerous other Wikipedia entries. For example, sorghum didn't originate in Abyssinia (Ethiopia today), but in West Africa which was an extremely important origin of Agriculture that Vavilov didn't know about. I don't think it is even completely clear if Ethiopia was an independent origin or whether it first adopted agriculture from the Middle East and then independently developed a few crops like teff after first adopting imported agricultural crops and techiniques. West Africa is a completely independent source and it developed some of the world's most important crops. Also Abyssinia didn't develop barley. It was imported from the Middle East.

The African origins of agriculture are woefully neglected. Britannica completely omits it. There are many pages in Wikipedia that almost entirely omit African origins of agriculture too: Wikipedia  [|almost]   [|completely]   [|omits]   [|Africa].

Origin of rice
The article gives the Indo-Burma centre of origin for rice while much of the literature I've seen (though I am not an expert) points to China as the centre of origin.

For example, Gross, B.L. and Zhao, Z (2014): Archaeological and genetic insights into the origins of domesticated rice. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2014 Apr 29; 111(17): 6190–6197.

Can the article be amended to reflect this? Kenr28 (talk) 10:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Done, but whole section needs reworking to show what comes from where, with individual citations. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)