Talk:Veeramanidasan

Veeramani Daasan Talk Page
Hello ive created a main page & a talk page for Veeramani daasan (devotional singer). Any talk's goes here.--killerserv 09:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Album Tables
Added album tables & infobox. Ive put in some of known albums sung by veeramanidasan. There might be more. Please do add in if you knows any which is not in the list. Unfortunately for the albums that i add in, i dunt know the exact year of the album release. Do append the year if you came to know as well. --killerserv 06:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Why undone?
The information shared hhere has some incorrect detail allow me to change them.. I did it once. but you just undone it, may I know the reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ve.krish (talk • contribs) 08:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi do you have a evidence saying K.Veeramanidasan is your father? If do please post the relevant information instead of simply editing. Self proclaiming a persons descendant can cause the correct information that been published seem unrelevant and on the other side note, You claim that K.Veeramanidasan is your father and you want a change on the information, that does not strongly justify the need to change the existing infobox information on the wikipage. Again please come up with a reference of your claim that he is indeed your father and source your reference on the wikipage. By the way, all the current devotional albums released by veeramanidasan indeed labeled as K.Veeramani Dasan. Not as like how you claim.-- Killerserv (talk) 09:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I do have all the evidence I will give them here. before that nobody would like to claim that someone is oneself's father. It will be a shame to one's mother if one says that the other person is my father.


 * The evidence
 * Follow this URL: http://www.audiolunchbox.com/album?a=84629, where you will see "aayiram kannudayal" this is my dad's first album. and from the same page scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will see his other albums where you will notice only the name "Veeramanidaasan" and not as K. Veeramanidaasan. If you have the albums with the wrong name, I think you might have got cheated by buying the pirated one. to my knowledge I never seen my dad's album with the name as you mentioned. actually offically my dad's name is P.K Veeramanidaasan. but he gives it in albums without initials only . I will also tell you what PK stands for. it is PalliKonda Kodi Veeramanidaasan - Pallikonda is the place of my dad's native near Vellore. If you still want an evidence. In some of the albums you have, you must find the albums produced by Euro Music palace, note down that phone number/email ID of the producer. He is Mr. Manimaaran from malaysia call him and ask, how my dad gives his name for the albums and ask him what his son's name and what he does. He will tell you, He will say my name, that is Balaji(This is the pet name in my home). is this enough?


 * Your claims merely refer to a released album lists on the website, which does not strongly justifiy your intention. Its merely a CD Purchase website (anyone can do that for reference), there is no Biography mentioned Veeramanidasan's real name. Again instead of using "father" sentiments for the edit intention do post a "biographical proof internet page reference" stating of Veeramanidasan's name as per your claim ( by following Wikipedia edit Standard) and sorry to say i cant do the research by calling or emailing anyone on be-half of you. Perhaps you could prove it by posting the relevant Website reference claiming your statement. Please understand im not against or humiliating or arrogantly denied K.Veeramanidasan or any of his bloodlines or childrens, infact iam a strong fan & follower of Veeramanidasan's album. The Fact is im trying to protect his genuinity of his name and his album. If you have acceptable proof, post it then i dont mind getting the wikipage changed accordingly or else sorry i will 'NOT' allow the changes for whatever reason you gave.-- Killerserv  (talk) 00:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant to check "How the name is given" from the website and not that am telling what albums he rendered and asking you to trust my claim(I KNOW ANY ONE CAN JUST GIVE THE LIST OF ALBUMS FROM THE WEB OR BY WHATEVER MEAN, BUT THAT IS NOT AM TRYING TO CONVEY). My intention firstly, is to correct the misnaming. secondly, since you asked me I thought giving the producer details (Almosy many of the albums were produced by Euro music palace from malaysia) would be the better evidence that I can provide so that you can contact him to know the genuinity. As I dont have any website created for my dad. If you are really interested just try to verify the evidence otherwise accept my edition. I happy to hear that you my dad's fan. "biographical proof internet page reference" Do you think every born in the world will something you expect?.. so funny. I think you will ask for DNA test and post it in the website.. hey just think practically what am I going to get benifited by editing this. I really worry that wrong details should not reach mass.. do you get that. Even now I can report about this wrong content to wikipedia and remove it. but since I know only a good fan of my dad is doing that. So I helped you by editing the content. and also you just copied some content from hindu, which is not giving any meaning those are incomplete from the new content. Just read through both the content and see you will know... If you still didnt belive me, note this email id veeramanidaasan@hotmail.com and ask questions you have to him.. he will reply you back. fine??!!!!!

And finally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MyMarriagePicBanner.JPG check this link, this is the banner kept in front of the marriage hall where my marriage held. This banner was designed by some of the fans of my dad :).. Itz me and my wife in that banner.. 1.) Show a article proof of K.Veeramanidasan's actual name as how it suppose to be visible.
 * Ive no idea how long this gonna be.. let me get this straight.


 * My reply: First of refer to the Hindu magazine URL that you have given as a reference in this very same article, that is not mentioning my dad's name as what you have entered. that itself a proof article. Can you show me an article where it displays "K. Veeramanidasan". and how do you claim that you are right?

2.) Lets stop the guessing game who is father of who, as even you are his son your name will not be visible on this page as this wikipage is solely for K.Veeramanidasan. forget the other craps!

3.) Ive no idea where the hell you get that wedding pic, I dont care if its genuine or not as that does not give a privilege to modify the article (anyway a side note. Someone flag the image for speedy deletion, if you want quickly save the pic.
 * My reply:Dont think crapy then you will be a crap some day. Itz you who asked for the evidence, I produced it, you are contradicting and now you say it is a crap and asking me to stop game game.. I see this as a serious issue I am not here to joke or play game with you, I have my rights here to say and rectify it mind your words.
 * My reply: Again, It is an evidence I produced and that is my marriage picture banner, I dont have to go to hell or to heaven to get that pic, It is very well available in my system

4.) Im going to stop the reply on this talk page for your claim. My final word for you. Show an external internet article claim for your proof not some fan picture My reply:(not some fan picture see my reply above, I think you have some problem understanding the discussion) of wedding or whatever.. else stop re-modifying un-necessarily with weak proof. 5.) Im not going to email to any email address! You email there and get a good valid proof! Hope that explain.


 * My reply: I have given you enough evidence and references, I think your are a person who is not ready to listen to other's words and good intention. More over, As I told you already, My dad has no website nor he has another online article. The one refered in this very same article shows the proof that, He has given his name as Veeramanidasan and NOT AS YOU SPECIFIED.

IS THIS STRAIGHT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND????. Else, I have to take this issue with wikipedia and complain about the wrong content. Thanks for letting me know that the image is marked for deletion. I didnt worry about it, just a mere evidence pic, that I wanted to show you that, Hope you have taken a good look at that... btw, do me a help, If you are going to be so arrogant and not ready to accept my claims, educate me how to take this issue with wikipedia.. Thank you, yours VENKATA KRISHNAN (A) BALAJI, SON OF VEERAMANIDAASAN :) -- Killerserv Talk 01:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Online proof: http://www.maraz.us/thaipoosam.shtml, Notice the name is displayed as Mr. Veeramani dasan and not as K. Veeramani dasan
 * http://www.hindu.com/2005/07/12/stories/2005071214590300.htm check this one out,
 * Hindu covered my dad's concert a couple of years ago - Following text copied from the above URL"Mahakumbhabhishekam

The Mahakumbhabhishekam of Arulmigu Vinaitheertha Vinayagar temple in West Tambaram will be held on Wednesday.

A devotional concert by Gurumandalam Veeramanidasan is the highlight of the programme.

The kumbhabishekam of Subramania Swami temple on Subramaniaswamy Koil Street, Alandur will be held on Wednesday from 9.15 a.m. to 10.15 a.m "


 * Notice the way the name is given here.. Gurumandalam is the title my dad uses it for almost couple of years now, also in his troupe banner you can see this word. Gurumandalam is a trust my dad founded and heads the trust. to carryout social service works. also the word Gurumandalam has some significance spiritually.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ve.krish (talk • contribs) 17:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Pls do go ahead and complain to the wikipedia as you mention. Ive no objection. As the owner/creater of this K.Veeramanidasan wikipage i will still insist of strong proof if you want to revert or modify any thing related to K.Veeramanidasan here. Once again, feel free to complain as you like. Ive been thru this manytimes on many wikipage where anonymous user claim they have rights to modify article giving note they are belong to the particular ancestor. Really.. i dont fall to it! My only point is simple. Show proof. If its valid & genuine go ahead to modify else dont revert thats all. Simple and Clear. -- Killerserv Talk  00:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Careful about claiming ownership of an article. Please see Ownership of articles.  Thanks.  --Kevin Murray (talk) 02:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, anyway.. I dont want to make any one fall for anything. You might have seen many ppl claimed for many things. but, am not anonymous here.. I have created my user account and doing the edit with compliance I think, though I may have to learn many things here in wikipedia policies. I have given the proof and edited the page, hope that is very simpler and very clearer. see the Edit summary for the same reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ve.krish (talk • contribs) 03:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Unrelated
Hi please dont copy and paste article and dont modify the article which is un-relevant. Have you complained to wikipedia ? I have reverted your edits. Dont overwrite. Your edits doesnt state a living person's bibiliography at all! -- Killerserv Talk 03:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested Page Protection
Hi, i have requested for page protection as you seems does not understand the wikipedia standard rule of reference. Anyway, i will let the administrator to decide & justify which party is violating the page. If it is proven that i been getting it wrong then you may go ahead and paste the CD Album page that you claim as the reference and modify as you please, else you need to understand the rule on the 3RR edit war and stop editing un-justifiably. -- Killerserv Talk 04:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for third opinion
I am responding to the request for a third opinion. After reading the article used as reference, "Veeramani Dasan" is the title of the photo in the article. The WP page should use the name as given in the article. There was no mention of K. Veeramanidasan. K. Veeramani has his own page. It would seem that "Veeramani Dasan" is the correct name for this article. Hope this helps. Phyesalis (talk) 10:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)