Talk:Vegeta/Archive 2

Vegeta's Height
Throughout the series Vegeta's height hasn't stayed consistant. Here's what I noticed. In the beginning he was just taller than Krillin. In the Freeza Arc he was up to Son Goku's chest. In the Android/Cell Arcs He was up to Goku's shoulder. And Finally during the Tournament/Majin Boo Arcs he was the same height as Goku. Either Goku shrank or this dudes been takin' steroids.--suit-n-tie 04:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Steriods has nothing to do with height. Son of Kong

Oh yeah. Well he's still the amazing growing man.--suit-n-tie 04:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think he must be wearing high heels!   U z EE   (Talk • Contribs) 06:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.absoluteanime.com/dragon_ball/goku.htm at that site it SHOULD show that Goku is 5'7 (according to Akira) and Vegeta is shorter than that so, on that first paragraph, it should not say that vegeta is 5'10 or whatever because Goku is 5'7 and Vegeta is shorter than that, (Vegeta is estimated about 5'3)--JCno1fan

His age
Toriyama stated in a dragon box segment " vegeta was 29 when he met son goku "being four years older than goku who he said was 24

Don't you mean FIVE years older?!--suit-n-tie 03:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Goku was 25 when he first met Vegeta, not 24. Son of Kong
 * There we go. That sounds correct.-- Suit-n -ti  e  01:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Vegeta is seven years older then Goku. It is stated in the official Daizenshuu. 29 was a Dub error, Vegeta was 32 when he first came to Earth.

Majinvegeta

I think that may be taking into account his time spent in the Room of Spirit and Time. He aged two more years in that room than normal so he should have only been 4-5 years older than Goku when he first came to Earth.


 * No, Vegeta was seven years old in Bardock: Father of Goku. Goku was still an infant. However, we might want to look at the daizenshuus because movie ages aren't accurate (amongst many other things). --MajinVegeta 13:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't Vegeta 6 y-o in that movie? --Kim Kusanagi 19:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Besides, I think you are wrong. Goku is 12 at the 21st Budokai, 15 at the 22nd and 18 at the 23rd. Five years later he is 23 and Gohan is already born and 4 y-o. Goku gets killed, therefore he DOES NOT age in the Otherworld and returns 23 to the fight against Vegeta. So, if the difference at first were seven years, now it's eight. 23+8=31, the age difference at best. I always thought that Vegeta was 29 or 30, because I thought the difference were six years, not seven.--Kim Kusanagi 19:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Note on "Super Vegeta"
I changed this once and it was taken out, so I'll explain again. The first time Vegeta calls himself by that nickname is when he uses the Big Bang Attack on #19. The time with Cell was the second time he called himself that. In the anime dub they changed the line entirely when he finished off 19 ("Eat this! This is Super Vegeta's Bing Bang Attack" to "Here it comes! A little going away present for you!"), but it isn't like anyone suggests he wasn't really using the Big Bang there either. Onikage725


 * Just note that he says it first when fighting #19 only in the jap version, as not to confuse any american/FUNimation fan readers. I remember when I came here for the first time. I didn't even know a jap DB exsisted.-- Koji Dude  (viva la BAM!) 20:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that line is only in the Japanese version, and not in any of the other dubs? Also, please do not use the term "jap". It's a derogatory word for the Japanese that came about during World War II. Thanks.


 * Daishokaioshin 21:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It is? Woah... sorry about that Dai. I'll try not to use it anymore.-- Koji Dude  (viva la BAM!) 21:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd have to thumb through the volume (I could on Thursday) as I don't have it personally, but I'm pretty sure they use the line in the US manga, and it's on the dual-language DVDs (the second subtitle track that goes with the Japanese version). And I really think that the purpose of the article should be to inform those not in the know, not be familiar to what the "Toonami" crowd already remembers. Onikage725


 * It's in volume 13, I already thumbed through it Onikage725, and Yes, Vegeta does say it is the "Super Vegeta Big Bang attack" (Volume 13, page 107), but he's only calling himself that because he is now a Super Saiyan. He doesn't say, I am Super Vegeta until Volume 16, When he's figthing Cell while at Super Saiyan grade 2. I can't find my copy right now, but it is in Volume 16. Majinvegeta


 * Yeah but the line is (or at least translates as, I don't know how Viz wrote it) "Eat this! This is Super Vegeta's Big Bang Attack!" (Kurae! Koitsu ga Supa Bejita no Biggu Bang Attacku da!). That's written in the possessive, therefore he is identifying himself as "Super Vegeta." If I, speaking in the 3rd person, say "This is Onikage's car," then I have just identified myself as Onikage, neh? Onikage725 12:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Vegeta Brought Back To Life
I just wanted to point out that after Frieza kills Vegeta he is wished back to life. The chronology jumps from Vegeta's death to the beginning of the next saga. The unfamiliar might wonder how he was killed and was meeting trunks a year later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.126.208.247 (talk • contribs).

Length
This article is quite long. Perhaps too long. What shall be done? Paul Haymon 08:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Leave it as is. It's fine.-- Atomic -Super  -Suit What Have I Done?! 04:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's over twice the recommended length. CovenantD 05:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, what are you going to do about it?-- Atomic -Super  -Suit What Have I Done?! 01:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It realy is too long ... 81.18.54.59 16:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Vegeta's Aura
I was just wondering, why is Vegeta's aura purple when he first fights Goku, but yellow in every other battle?


 * If you look closely, each fighters' ki color is different. People who are pure or mostly pure have white aura's and people who are not pure have tainted auras (blue, red, or purple). But otherwise, the switch in energy color can probably be added to the endless void of plotholes and inconsistancies created by Toei, just like their infamous Super Saiyan aura inconsitancies (e.g: Lightning sparks being added where they shouldn't be, ect.) Toei likes to change colors and even in Bio-Broly, Krillin for a split second has a Super Saiyan aura. Krillin isn't even a Saiyan! Majinvegeta

Actually Vegeta's aura wasn't yellow in just about every battle. On Namek and when he is in his normal state, his aura was white or blue. It is yellow only when he is one of his Super Saiyan forms. Johnny542 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If blue aura is a tainted aura, how come Trunks has blue aura? He's not tainted, he's actually very pure.

Change from Japanese Names?
Although people are firmly stating that English names should be used in English Articles, I think the Vegeta article (or any other Dragonball Article) should display the original names out of respect for the original Japanese format as well as the English names. This can also be done so we don't confuse readers who are not familiar with Dragonball. Majinvegeta
 * I don't understand what you're trying to say. Is it that you want to rename all the Dragon Ball articles to the Japanese names? It's the English Wikipedia. We are using official names from the anime, English and Japanese. Including the manga.-- S U  I  T 42 06:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Vegeta during Mirai Trunks's Futrue
I wanna say that other than in the manga, that during the Future Trunks's timeline that it is shown in the anime OVA and the flashback during the Cell Saga that Vegeta had become a Super Saiyan. The question is was Trunks conceived before or after he became one during that timeline? Even though he was motivated to surpass Goku he didn't have the push of motivation that Vegeta in the Real Timeline had with the early warning of the Androids. With that Mirai Vegeta could have gotten his SS power later in his timeline than the Real Vegeta (i am using Real as the actual timeine Vegeta)did. Because of the knowledge they got from Trunks, Real Vegeta pushed himself futher and fast to train and surpass Goku possiblily pushing himself to SS early. With that it can be said that Mirai Vegeta could have conceived Trunks with Bulma before he got his SS, if the conception threoy is right as it is show with Son Goten and Real Trunks, then that could be the reason Mirai Trunks had to work to become SS while Real Trunks with Son Goten seems to come naturally. Heat P 05:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a forum, and that's all probably OR and it's not allowed.-- SUI T 42 05:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with SUIT. But to debate: it is impossible to tell if Trunks was concieved before or after Vegeta had become a Super Saiyan, but judging by the "fan" theory of the relationship between offspring Super Saiyan ability, and time of conception, I do believe that Vegeta (Present Timeline) didn't only train to beat Goku, but to defeat the threat that only Goku was thought to have the ability to handle in order to prove himself better. But then again, I don't think it would've made a difference in Trunks's ability, Mirai Trunks didn't even train that hard to become one, the only reason why he was older at the first Transformation was because he hadn't started training until he was into his teens. Majinvegeta


 * Your right it is not a forum, however it may help some people understand somethings about Trunks. I am not trying to start a debate or argument. I know I should have moved the part about Trunks to maybe Trunks or Mirai Trunks page. This is not the article for that. I wasn't think about that til it was too late. Wrong place for that piece but my original intent was to answer many fans questions about Vegeta in Mirai timeline. That Mirai Vegeta was a Super Saiyan. In the TV special of Trunks just as he is getting hit by #18 check out Vegeta as he is in his Super Saiyan form. I will check the anime to comfirm that its was shown in the flashback of either Trunks or Cell(I forgot with one but i will find it). Just something that maybe can be figured in the article. maybe under trivia?
 * Heat P 03:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I last thing. Majinvegeta, your right about Trunks and Mirai Trunks training, but lets go and put that piece on Trunks and/or Mirai Trunks articles as to not cause a debate on Trunks in Vegeta's Article.
 * Heat P 03:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I have a suggestion: Don't. Don't put any of it on the article. Why? It's Original Research.-- SUI T What?  42 03:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if Future Trunks was conceived before or after the SS transformation. That's just a theory. Toriyama just wanted to make the show interesting. Who're we to decide he actually had a hidden reason behind it and decided to, for some reason, conceal that reason from the public? And, like SUIT said, it's WP:OR anyways.-- Koji Dude  (Contributions) 03:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I just said that I was wrong, I should have put it in Trunks's article and not Vegeta's if it was to be talked about, Thank you. Please read all of the statement before trying to jump into something. Also for the Original Research statement. It has proven that Vegeta was a Super Saiyan in Mirai Trunks's time which was my orignial intent. So go back and read Original Research page before telling someone that they are wrong. But if you mean Trunks Conception Thing then ok i will accept that but read all the statement first instead of the first one because I did say i was wrong so leave Trunks out of this as Majinvegeta and you Suit help fix that problem. So do not start a debate over this on Vegeta's Article. Heat P 03:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Also in the piece when I said lets put this in Trunks's or Mirai Trunks's Article, I meant to the talk article for discussion not the actual article to edit. OH no!!!! not for that if that what you guys thought i meant. oh no!!! Heat P 04:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Pics
Wondering if we could get pics of Babi vegeta and his golden monkey....form i mean...


 * Why? If they want to see such pictures they can go to the Bebi article.-- SUI T 42 17:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Why are the summaries so LONG?
The summaries of the sagas that Vegeta is present in are rediculously long, If I actually had time and was in the mood, I'd read the whole thing. I'm going to attempt to make them shorter, and have the saga's main articles explain the rest. I think that would be in order. Majinvegeta

I'll take care of it tomorrow or soon anyway, it does look a mess right now. Way too much extrapolation considering there are article pages for these sagas.