Talk:Vegeta/Archive 4

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Over 9,000
I was searching for "over 9000" and I was redirected to this page. However, there is no reference to "over 9000" on this page. I'm assuming that a page on "over 9000" was deleted for lack of relevance, probably true, but if an article is redirected, the information from the original page *must* be incorporated into the new page. Anyone care to add it? Famico666 11:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not relevant and will not be added, I will put up that redirect page for deletion. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  12:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be added here but it is a popular internet meme that I've seen used in a variety of online jokes. So it perhaps deserve a mention on its own page. It is an encyclopedia after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkwarriorblake (talk • contribs) 14:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, there's nothing encyclopedic about it. It's a popular fan video, nothing more. Someone added a section for it, and I gladly removed it.--VorangorTheDemon (talk) 13:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the only reason I've come to this page is 'over 9000', and yes, it was due to a redirect. You'd think there would be at least one mention of it on this page - even if it is 'appearance in other media' or something - needn't be more than a sentence, and maybe could say the episode 'Over Nine Thousand!!' comes from. I would agree that shouldn't have a page or even necessarily a section of this page of its own. Stevebritgimp not signed in.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.229.73 (talk) 01:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

What's going on? I wanted to find out more about this "Over 9000" meme I keep seeing and I get redirected to a page that doesn't have it. If it is relevent to Vegeta, it should get a section. I mean if the whole Rick Rolling meme gets an entire wikipedia page, then over 9000 should at least get a section, regardless of how small it is. I'm highly disappointed that this isn't up yet. To VorangorTheDemon: Perhaps you should "gladly remove" rickroll, Loituma Girl, Dancing Banana, Hampster dance and all the other "popular fan videos" that currently have pages on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.232.71.73 (talk) 23:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I think somewhere in the Vegeta artice, there should be something about the "Over 9,000" internet meme. Not a whole section, just a mention of it being an internet meme and maybe the actual script of what he said. This is what he and Nappa said, his exact words in the Ocean Dub:

Nappa: Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level?

Vegeta: (takes off scouter): IT'S OVER 9,000!!! (crushes scouter in anger)

Nappa: Over 9000?! There's no way that can be right--can it? Son Gohan (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds to me that Voranger has something stuck up his butt. 209.169.244.29 (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, if you can have Rickrolling or Loituma Girl there, you can have Over 9000. For relevance, we need to decide as a community what determines relevance. How many views something has on youtube? How many hits it has on google? I agree there must be a line, but the line has to be definate and clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.15.187 (talk) 04:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It's 2009 and it seems there are still unpleasant people out there who wont let this meme be mentioned just because they dislike memes... I really cannot beleive there's not a mention of it on there yet, what is going on? I'll be putting it back up in hopes that it will stay.--TailsClock (talk) 20:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's 2009, and there are no reliable sources that this is a notable meme. That's why it's back out of the article. —C.Fred (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, it's totally not a notable meme--it's only all over the entire internet, but yeah, it's not notable enough. 76.67.124.45 (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not in any reliable sources, though—and I just did a Google search. —C.Fred (talk) 03:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Main Picture?
Is it okay to change the main picture into one of his earlier appereance, prefferably the Saiyan Saga outfit (Including a scouter if possible)? I think that gives him a better represantation, especially when he is small, compared to his size later on the series. The current picture is great, unfortunatly, his whole forhead covers almost the whole image.

And my apology, if I tried to just change the picture without asking permission. :o) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dso700 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think a body picture would be better to give people a real idea of what he looks like. Currently it's kind of hard to tell, with the only clear picture of his outfit a picture of his gorilla form... Kariteh 08:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We should get a good body shot for the plot summary, maybe a pic of him during the Buu saga? DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  12:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think a Body shot of the Saiyan Saga, because in the Saiyan Saga, he is far more easily distinguishable from the others, mainly due to his height. Especially when he stands right next to Nappa.dso700 0:14, 13 September 2007 (GMT +1)

Which Cell Saga?
I'll be honest, I know very little about Dragon Ball. So, when I see comments embedded in the article that say consensus was already reached to use "Cell Saga" instead of "Android Saga," I take it at face value. When I dug a little more, I noticed that Cell Saga is actually a dab page for three separate sagas. So, I'm asking a few questions: Like I said, apologies if I'm reinventing the wheel, in which case, please give a short summary here and a pointer to the talk archive. Regards, —C.Fred (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Are we using "Cell Saga" to refer to an overall arc covering the three cell sagas, or are we really referring to one in particular?
 * 2) Did the events described occur exclusively in (a/the) Cell Saga, or did they also occur in the Android Saga?
 * 3) Does anybody have a secondary source to provide the information? I.e., for this purpose, a pointer to the episode where it happened isn't sufficient; I'm looking for somebody else's reliable write-up of the episode.


 * I have the Episode on DVD and as soon as I can find it (LOL) I will let you guys know but I am positive that the Image was used on The Secret Of Dr. Gero. It was after Vegeta defeated Nineteen. I would also like to add the fact that Trunks nor Goten reaches Super Saiyan 2 in the Magna or Anime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.239.237 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but do you have a secondary source? If all you have is the DVD, the answer is no, and I know the WikiProject standard is to avoid using the DVD (the primary source) whenever possible. —C.Fred (talk) 16:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The original Manga is our primary source. To make the story arcs easier to understand we have called them by the titles that the original japanese uses, with what you know as the Saiyan and vegeta saga being the Saiyan saga, what you know as the Namek, Ginyu and Frieza sagas are simply the Freeza saga in Japan. What you know as the Trunks, android, Imperfect, Perfect and Cell games sagas are simply the Cell saga in Japan. And finally the World Tournament, Great Saiyaman, Majin Buu, Fusion and Kid buu sagas are simply the Buu saga. Does that answer your question? DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  18:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Vegeta's Age
I don't know who messed up Vegeta's age on this page but Toriyama even stated in an interview that when he arrived on Earth he was 29 years old so I don't get where someone could believe he's 30-40 something years old when he doesn't even look that old. Son of Kong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Son of Kong (talk • contribs) 00:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Remember, Saiyans don't look as old as they really are. Remember, at the end of GT, Goku was seen, but he would have been more then 100 since Pan was an old lady, but he didn't look that old at all.207.14.79.74 (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * GT isn't part of the original Dragon Ball timeline, but still you make a good reference to where it says that Saiyans don't age rapidly past a certian point. However, in addition to supposedly stating that Vegeta was 29, Toriyama also stated that Nappa was 50, which explained why he appeared older. Dragon Ball is inconsistent, what occurs earlier in the series isn't always what applies later on. Son of Kong, can you reference where it says that Toriyama stated Vegeta is 29 when he comes to Earth? --VorangorTheDemon (talk) 21:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to know how Vegeta is 43 at DBZ's end and 50 at DBGT's beginning when 10 years passed between the two. 43+10 does not equal 50 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.174.229 (talk) 14:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually no one is quite sure how long the gap between Z and GT is, everyone assumes that it's 10, but no one really knows.--VorangorTheDemon (talk) 13:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, suppose Vegeta actually is 29 when he arrived on Earth. He would've stayed that way up until the Trunks Saga, where one year has passed, Goku has returned to Earth after defeating Freeza and Trunks has warned them of the upcoming threat of the Androids. Vegeta would be 30. After three years of training, he would be 33. Seven years later after the defeat of Cell, Vegeta would be 40. By that time, it is the Majin Boo Saga. Ten years pass after Boo's death, Vegeta would be about 50. And still, Vegeta looks as young as ever. No need to explain that, it's his remarkable Saiyan genes that makes him look so young, like Goku. That's why the Saiyan race never seem to age. If ten years really did pass when GT begin -- well, do the maths. Son Gohan (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Purple, Brown and Black Hair
it should be mentioned that at the beginning Vegeta had brown hair, later he had black hair and in the videogames he is coloured with a dark purple hair —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.157.151.126 (talk) 03:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

No it shouldn't, his hair has been colored using shades of red, brown, purple, and grey; however his hair color is officially brown (which I personally find strange because King Veget looks more like he has brown hair in the anime, but his hair color is officialy black). Also, remember that nobody has any pure hair color, black hair is a combination of many hair colors, predominantly extremely dark brown (there is no such thing as a black hair, it's all dark brown).Adroa (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Every single pure-blooded Saiyan should have black hair. Look at the examples -- Goku, Raditz, Bardock, Bardock's friend Toma, the Saiyans that were seen when Dodoria explained why Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta...well, there aren't that many Saiyans to list, since only four remained after Vegeta's destruction. Nappa was bald, though, but in flashbacks, Nappa clearly has black hair. Nappa's hair didn't grow back because full-blooded Saiyans' hair do not grow from the day they are born. Future Trunks was a half-Saiyan, but he had purple hair because his mother Bulma had purple hair, so he kind of gained hair genes from her. Goten as a child had hair exactly like Goku because both Goku and Chi-Chi had black hair. And Vegeta and King Vegeta were the highest royalty of the Saiyan race, of course they had black hair. Even Broly and his father Paragus had black hair. I conclude my argument. Son Gohan (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

You're argument is irrelevant; but for the sake of argument let's say it is valid. Remember King Vegeta? In the anime he clearly has brown hair.Adroa (talk) 03:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

IIRC, there were several saiyans shown during flashbacks with other hair colors than black.--SKiPMacD (talk) 23:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Name Origin
The Origin listed for his name is Wrong. "Bejita" isn't Japanese for "King" in any way. The Japanese word for King is "Ou". Vegeta's name comes from the word Vegetable, Keeping with the pun of the Saiyan race. Saiya (there is no N in the Japanese way of spelling it) is an anagram of "Yasai" the Japanese word for Vegetable. all of the full-blooded Saiyans are named after Vegetables (Raditz = Radish, Kakarott = Carott, Nappa is a Chinese Cabbage, Broli = Broccoli) and, Being the royal Family, Vegeta and his Father are named after Vegetables themselves. I made this Change earlier since this is an Obvious Fact, it's Even mentioned in the Page for the Saiyans, so I didn't think anyone would dispute it, but someone changed it back. What I just said is Not only quite obvious, but is verifyable (Bejita is obviously taken from Bejitaburu, the Romanization of the Katakana for "Vegetable") but this "King" Theory is not, it doesn't even cite the Japanese word for king ("Ou") in it's explanation. Please change it back to what I put, or something similar. DemonRin 19:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Really, whatever is in the article about the name needs a reliable source to back it up. Worse, calling it "quite obvious" means it's rather close to original research. I'll be glad to change it, if you can find a source to back up how the name applies to the character. —C.Fred (talk) 02:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The only source I can think of off the top of my head, is The Character Daizenshuu. and this Dictionary site's entry for the Katakana "Vegetable". But, I can verify that There is no version of the Word "King" that even includes any of the characters in "Bejita" Just go here and Type in King.  About 5 responses come up, and none of them Even include Any of the Characters in Vegeta's Name. (and this site was used as a Reference to "Yasai" in the Saiyan Article, so I know it's acceptable as one) so PLEASE remove that incorrect line about Vegeta's Name being derived from king.  I'll also look for a Source on Vegetable, but in all honesty, it's too obvious to deny really, and the "List of Saiyans" article already lists King Vegeta's Name pun as "Vegetable" without a source, it also lists all the Other Saiyan's puns without sources. DemonRin 19:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * People you are taking things too seriously, "Vegeta" is a pun on "vegetable", all this "king" nonsense is product of an anon edit. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  02:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So desu ka. Thank you for tracking down that diff! It had been in long enough that I figured more knowledgable editors had vetted and approved it. Based on that diff, I support DemonRin's change. —C.Fred (talk) 04:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Power Level Info
I think there should be some information about Vegeta's power levels. Like, in the Namek Saga (manga-wise), when Vegeta powered up for Kiwi, Zarbon's scouter exploded, saying the power level was 24,000, higher than his and Dodoria's. Then Dodoria exclaimed that it was impossible that he could get that powerful, as he could barely get up to 18,000 before. Maybe this should be noted? Son Gohan (talk) 16:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Why won't the tail grow back?
In DBZ manga volume 5, when Vegeta crash-lands on Planet Freeza #79 in his spaceship after being almost killed by Gohan, he is rushed into the treatment center, where his wounds are healed in a rejuvenation chamber. When he comes out, the doctor says "Unfortunately, your tail could not be regenerated." WTF? Saiyans can't regenerate tails in the first place! But Vegeta replies saying "No matter, it'll grow back again." Yes, I know Gohan's tail grew back after Piccolo cut it off, but Vegeta's tail never grows back. Did Akira Toriyama just forget about the tails (judging by Goten & Trunks not having tails, I think he did) or did Vegeta get it wrong and Saiyans don't grow back tails when they become adults? Son Gohan (talk) 19:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC) The Author just forgot, that's all. With super Saiyan tails became inconvenient.Adroa (talk) 00:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC) umm, when Goku's tail got cut off the second time it never grew back, and that was before he was an Adult, Adult sayans cant regrow tails, or they cant grw back after being removed twice 24.223.154.154 (talk) 02:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Vegeta's Garlic Cannon.
I read on here that Vegeta's Garlic Gannon (Gallick Gun) was used only once in the series. However I was watching the Funimation dub just a few minutes ago, and I noticed that when SSJ2 Goku is fighting Majin Vegeta, after Goku punches Vegeta with the huge rocks after he breaks from his energy rings, he sends Vegeta into a cave. Once in the cave, after Vegeta grabs Goku in what seems to be some sort of full nelson and tries to slam him into a spike on the ceiling, Goku pushes him back and they both put their hands together as if preparing for an energy attack.

You can clearly hear Goku yell "Kamehameha" but also if you listen very closely, at the same time you can hear Vegeta yell "Gallick Gun"

I don't know if Funimation is canon but I noticed this while watching the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.201.191 (talk) 07:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed.-- Koji †  Dude  (C) 16:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Super Buu's (after absorbing "Mystic" Gohan) Super kamikaze guys also use the Galick gun in the fight with "Super" Vegito. So technically it was used again, even if not by VegetaAdroa (talk) 01:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Why does it still say this? He used the gallick gun more than once. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.249.9.94 (talk) 06:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Assessment

 * Start class criteria: "Has at least one serious element of gathered materials, including any one of the following:" — Yes
 * C class criteria: Missing key elements entirely: Refer to WP:MOS-ANIME#Layout for a character article in this regard.

Reassessed as Start class. G.A.S 18:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Anime Apperance
Shouldn't it be mention somewhere that his first appearance in the anime his color scheme was drastically different? As he was featured with mahogany hair color, a bright peach complexion, and his battle fatigues consisted of a dark blue jumpsuit, lime and orange armor, and orange gloves and boots. I mean this can't all be consistered fan cruft Sarujo (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe if you have a reliable source. -- L A  X  18:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a bunch of screenshots, if I uploaded one would that constitute as a reliable source? Sarujo (talk) 20:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

"he can never close the difference between him and Goku"
"he can never close the difference between him and Goku", From the development and Origin section.

He was stronger than Goku at several points in the show, Goku just always came back and surpassed him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.249.9.94 (talk) 06:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Character history
I think there should be a section for character history for Vegeta, just as with Piccolo. It only makes sense, most characters should have it. Son Gohan (talk) 08:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Image?
The infobox image is a disgrace for this article! It should be replaced! SSJ 5 (talk) 01:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How so? Sarujo (talk) 01:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * According to this response, I have brought back the other image. Maybe we should wait Sarujo, at least until one with better quality can be found. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and added another image in the old one's place I hope this one will stay a little bit longer. Sarujo (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Over 9000?
Something to think about. Evaunit ♥666♥ 03:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Final Shine
I've been searching the Japanese Wikipedia Vegeta article and I can't find the Japanese text for Final Shine. Does it go by another name in the original Japanese? Sarujo (talk) 09:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The only names I've managed to find are "Final Buster Bomb" (ファイナルブラストボム) and "Final Explosion" (ファイナル エクスプロージョン) Sarujo (talk) 09:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Vegetto/Gogeta
I was thinking under abilities mentioning how vegeta's personality is more dominant in Vegetto, as well as apperance (referring to the signature blue vegetto wears) would everyone be supportive of this? or is it unneeded? -- Aridnyk 19:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That would only apply to that character. Not to mention the fact that it an unsourced claim. Where does it state that Vegeta the dominate component? Sarujo (talk) 01:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)