Talk:Vegetarian and vegan dog diet/Archive 1

There was a page for many years about Happidog on Wikipedia which someone appears to have deleted! Google still shows a result: "Happidog - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happidog First produced in 1980, Happidog is widely considered to be the first dog food ... Vegetarian pop stars Paul McCartney and Howard Jones have both bought Happidog."

So who is re-writing the history of vegan pet foods?!
 * We should rewrite the article and recover the old article about Happidog. Many remember Mother Hubbard vegetarian dog foods. MaynardClark (talk) 02:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

There is lots missing from this page but firstly I would like to set the records straight about who did what first.

Happidog was the first commercially available vegetarian dog food and was launched in Britain. There is the following evidence of its having origins in 1978, but serious commercial activity began in 1980 with the registration of the trademark - and subsequently all references by the owners of the Happidog and subsequent V-dog brands referenced 1980 as the founding year.

On public records: Happidog Trade Mark registration 7th Feb 1980. TM number UK00001128306 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00001128306

Full page advert for 'Happidog Supermeal' page 27, 'The Vegan' Winter 1985 "Happidog Supermeal 100% vegetable diet suitable for all breeds" Also claimed over 200 vetrinary surgeons recommended https://issuu.com/vegan_society/docs/the-vegan-winter-1985

Advert for Happidog, page 3 of 'The Vegan', Autumn 1989 Also shows 'Kats go Vegan' importing Vegecat supplements from USA to UK on page 35. https://issuu.com/vegan_society/docs/the-vegan-autumn-1989

The date Happidog was founded is given as '12 years ago' in this 1990 interview with the founder by Dennys Haigh. Articles called 'Breaking the link, cruelty free pet foods for cats and dogs. The Vegan - Summer 1990 p.22 https://issuu.com/vegan_society/docs/the-vegan-summer-1990

The relinquishing of Trademark to German company with similar name (Happidog vs Happy Dog): http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2004/04/three-little-trade-mark-cases-that.html Case: Interquell v OHIM, SCA Nutrition, Court of First Instance, Case T-20/02. http://europa.eu.int/jurisp/cgi-bin/gettext.pl?lang=en&num=79959668T19020020&doc=T&ouvert=T&seance=ARRET&where=

This is the legal case that led to the decision to rebrand Happidog as 'V-dog' so they could sell the goods in Germany and other markets without the German company blocking sales.

Archive.org capture of Happidog.co.uk 23rd July 2004 Showing branding and product range of the time: https://web.archive.org/web/20040723194041/http://happidog.co.uk/

Archive.org capture of v-dogfood.com 25th November 2005 This shows the start of V-dog sales in the US, referencing the British origins in 1980. https://web.archive.org/web/20051125101746/http://www.v-dogfood.com/

Archive.org capture of Happidog.co.uk 4th October 2006 Showing the start of US sales of the same 'Crunchy Nuggets' still sold as Happidog in the UK but exported the US and sold under the V-dog brand. The style of packaging & branding also reflects the original Happidog packaging. https://web.archive.org/web/20061004042721/http://happidog.co.uk:80/

Now selling under the V-dog name in the UK, with newer packaging and logo https://web.archive.org/web/20121101033123/http://www.v-dog.co.uk/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.237.54 (talk) 15:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Vegan dog treat companies
Wet noses, Zukes, Trader Joe’s

Vegan dog chew toys companies
Whimsies, Nylabone, and v-dog make chew toys. Whimsies is NOT the Whimsies from Wade Ceramics, which are porcelain animal figures.

I recommend ARTICLES on these, or at least a mention in the article.MaynardClark (talk) 22:24, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Any work on these? MaynardClark (talk) 02:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Removed Ongoing Vegan Pet Food Research
Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Should not include original reporting, news reports, or a who's who. See also: Wikipedia:Notability (events) and Wikipedia:Too much detail Marialeeg (talk) 03:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with a carefully documented news story of the research, which was properly cited? Would you rather have readers think that all research is corporate and not academic/veterinary? MaynardClark (talk) 03:42, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't personally have a problem with a properly cited news story. This is just not the appropriate venue.

"Wikipedia does not report on everything going on in the world today. There is usually no need to write articles about things with no historical significance whatsoever"

"Journalists offer firsthand reports of current events. Wikipedia does not. Wikipedia is not a primary source." Marialeeg (talk) 01:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * How does the article cover the direction of future vegan pet food (a) development and (b) claims validation? MaynardClark (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

gelatine and collagen in vegan cans?
Both gelatine and collagen are pretty obviously sourced from animals. US3898345A is probably a bad source for vegan diets: instead of being about how to make vegan or vegetarian things, it appears to be more about how to make cheaper stuff that dogs like. --Artoria2e5 🌉 05:15, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Quality of alkaline urine source
The current version of this article says that vegetarian and vegan dogs are at higher risk of alkaline urine. The only source for this is. The source says that "plants are relatively deficient in acidifying amino acids [compared to meat], and due to the higher pH of plant-based protein, vegan and vegetarian diets can result in more alkaline urine." However it does not seem to provide a source for this statement. Therefore, I market it as Template:Dubious. I used this template according to its intended use, namely to question the methodology employed by a given source, and to alert editors that additional sources need to be found, to ascertain the statement's validity. Trimton (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Direct-to-consumer (DTC) home-cooked pet food
I would propose a section on DTC custom-prepared pet foods, such as Just Food For Dogs of Irvine, California, founded in 2010 by Shawn Buckley. MaynardClark (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

List of vegan pet food producers
I would propose EITHER (a) a section on vegan pet food producers (more of a list or a chart) OR (b) a distinct article on vegan pet food producers. MaynardClark (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)